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2016-07-06

Meeting 5: Wednesday, July 6, 10am to 12pm (PST Pacific Time)

Google Doc Work Page: Meeting notes here. http://j.mp/29LzNj2


Participants

  1. Edwin Rutsch

  2. Parth Savla

  3. Kiu

  4. Chuck Pezeshki

  5. Gray Switalski


YouTube Video



Name: Edwin Rutsch

Introduction: I’m director of the Center for Building a Culture of Empathy and founder of IETA.  Been working on the empathy center for over 9 years. Would like to network with more empathy trainers and develop an online training MOOC.

What does an ideal IETA look like to you?   

A place for

  • Connecting and networking with fellow trainers.

  • Advocating for the importance of empathy in all parts of society,

  • Sharing training materials and resources,

  • Developing training materials.

  • Setting and maintaining standards,

  • Protecting and advancing mutual interests.

  • Offering business support and leads to members,

  • Maintaining a directory of empathy trainers that prospective clients can access,







Name: Gray Switalski


Introduction: I’m an educator with experience working with students from elementary school through college.  I’ve taught in both the humanities and the sciences.  Currently, I teach high school environmental science, marine biology, and zoology.  My educational philosophy includes promoting project-based learning, experiential learning, and progressive education.  My other professional background is in animal husbandry.  As an environmental educator, I am extremely interested in how we can utilize field work, nature study, and animal experiences to teach empathy, autonomy, and critical thinking skills.    

What does an ideal IETA look like to you?  

  • a group that provides support, outreach, training, professional development, etc to various different organizations.

  •  a body that creates and upholds professional standards for empathy training and development.

  • work to promote empathy as a valued practice in classrooms, workplaces, etc.

  •  create realistic goals and benchmarks for trainees and have understanding of schedules and difficulties (i.e. extend our empathy to people who are trying very hard to incorporate these ideas into an already full and demanding schedule - try to figure out a way to make this as painless as possible.  Make this something to celebrate and something that feels achievable - not something that feels like “just another professional development my boss is making me do” and feels like a daunting amount of extra work on top of a full plate.

  • work to achieve an ease of access to materials/empathy professionals - offer online training, in person professional development, conferences, team building, etc.  Not a “one size fits all” deal.

  • supports and believes the idea that empathic relationships should go both ways - should not just be a top down endeavor.  

  • publicize empathy’s successes

  •  highlight how empathy is a utilizable 21st century skill.  

  • experiment with different approaches on how to tap into and teach empathy.  This could range from things like mindfulness to initiative and confidence training to wilderness experiences.  

Name: Chuck Pezeshki


Introduction: I’m a professor of mechanical engineering, specializing in design, and a systems theorist with a background in nonlinear physics and chaos theory.  I’m currently writing a book on how sentient networks create knowledge and understanding.  The answer?  Empathy.  A good hunk of the book is blogged out at: http://empathy.guru


What does an ideal IETA look like to you?  


The ideal IETA for me is a ‘big tent’ approach that lets individuals working in the field plug in their understandings on the scales that they work on.  For some, that would be NVC, and individual approaches to establishing deeper connections with other human beings.  

For myself, it would involve framing many of the approaches into pedagogical ensembles so that we can spread empathic behavior through our society and world.

 For others, it may involve developing empathetic modes of connecting larger constituencies so that those constituencies could bring transformative change to the large, ‘wicked’ problems facing our planet, like global warming.


Name: Kiu  


Introduction:
I want to contribute and live in a world that takes better care of ALL its inhabitants and I currently choose to invest in Nonviolent Communication as a path I both practice and help to create communities of practice here in Rio for people and groups who are socially engaged.

I am both excited and concerned by the rapid expansion of empathy and Nonviolent Communication practices.


Xcited because I believe this to be a large part of whats missing for the world I wish for and concerned because we may lose the transformative essence if its shared as a methodology to keep the current way of thinking going as opposed to letting ourselves be transformed by it to continually update our way of seeing the world


What does an ideal IETA look like to you?  
A series of dialogues on key issues that people who are engaged in sharing this work. People join by the topic of interest and actions are taken based on the dialogues. Structures are kept to a minimum and are open to be moved by those who are a part of the structure. A relationship where the organisation supports the individuals and the individuals support the organisation - win win relationships.


Key focus for me is how to take care of the quality essence and purpose. Constant work to stay connected to this over time.




Name: Edwin Rutsch

Introduction: I’m director of the Center for Building a Culture of Empathy and founder of IETA.  Been working on the empathy center for over 9 years. Would like to network with more empathy trainers and develop an online training MOOC.

What does an ideal IETA look like to you?   

A place for

  • Connecting and networking with fellow trainers.

  • Advocating for the importance of empathy in all parts of society,

  • Sharing training materials and resources,

  • Developing training materials.

  • Setting and maintaining standards,

  • Protecting and advancing mutual interests.

  • Offering business support and leads to members,

  • Maintaining a directory of empathy trainers that prospective clients can access,











Write interview questions to ask?

  1. Why are you interested in forming the International Empathy Trainers Association?

  2. What are painful feelings you have around being an empathy trainer/teacher?

    1. What are the unmet needs behind these feelings?

    2. Do you have any stories to share about this?

  3. What are positive feelings you have around being an empathy trainer/teacher?

    1. What are the met needs behind these feelings?

    2. Do you have any stories to share about this?

  4. Why do you feel teaching empathy is important?

    1. 5 Whys: Why is that important?

  5. How did you come to discover that empathy was so important?

  6. What have you discovered in your journey of empathy about yourself that you didn’t know before?

  7. How do you measure empathy?  Do you feel that empathy can or should become a measureable asset in evaluating instructors, students, employees, bosses, etc?

  8. How much background do you have in reading about empathy, and what tradition do you mostly read/think in?

  9. How do you relate with being an “empath”?

  10. How has empathy been valuable to you in your work or life?




3 Interviews of Gray


Chuck  Interviews  Gray   

Where did you discover the word empathy?


Got involved in teaching and enjoyed it..

Went to grad school.

Got a job

Work at a Catholic School.  See that other schools lack what they have.

  • This school focuses on creating good people.

  • Our students care,

  • I worry about the students.they don’t have a sense of how the school works.
    I am afraid for the students

  • Feels like a family, learning together. This is important

  • First name  basis. Created closer bonds

Other Schools

  • are status driven, let get you into college.

  • Frustrating to me, they are not taught to discover, to feel,.

  • Emotional empathy is core. -should be core to education.

  • Feel disconnected, I don't’ fit into that mold ,


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  1. Animal husbandry - was more involved on the animal care side.

  2. “I really enjoyed teaching”

  3. First teaching job out of Grad school was in MD, I embraced their approach wholeheartedly.

  4. I see other schools lacking what THAT school had

    1. Focused on creating “Good people” vs. getting into an Ivy League school”

  5. Empathy is about how we’re feel.

  6. Should be a core element of education

  7. Disconnected place vs connected place

    1. Connected place:

      1. Students and teach on a path of learning together: “pedagogy of the oppressed”

      2. Talk to teachers by their first name

      3. Had 1 central location which we all shared = created bonds

    2. Disconnected:

      1. I didn’t fit into a mold

      2. “I’m off”


Chuck: authentic self  vs. what you can do and produce

Gray:  how you can make



Parth  Interviews  Gray   


When was the first time you got introduced to the word empathy.?

6th 7th grade - was band Nervona. Suicide note was Peace, love,  empathy,


How did the term evolve for you?

Had to look it up, see that it was more than sypathy, it was sharing in peoples

It was huge, it could bridge relationships, it is key to creating a bond. Between people who are different and that is big in the world,  this may seem cheezy.


How would you see the difference between empathy, sympathy and compassion?


Empathy - is actually feeling the emotion.

Compassion is the action.

Sympathy - I see how you feel


What prevents empathy from arising?

Seeing people as the other.

It stands in the way of empathy


What creates that feeling of the other?

Lack of experience, worldview, small bubble.



Gray was introduced to empathy in middle school.  Nirvana was a gateway. Experiencing the term was stronger than sympathy.  Sharing was implicit. Sharing could bridge relationships.  Even if people are drastically different than you.  Common ground -- we all have the same feelings.  Difference between empathy, compassion and sympathy.  Compassion is feeling and caring for other beings.  Sympathy is feeling for other beings.  Empathy is sharing in an experience.  


What creates the experience of ‘the other’?  Lack of experience, worldviews, life in a bubble.  Kids don’t even go down to the city, and not exposed to things that are different from them.




Edwin Interviews Gray    


What is the greatest pain or stress around teaching empathy


Doesn’t always make me line up well with what my bosses want.  My views don’t fit in.  An experience with a student who would do stupid things, and an administrator blamed it on her.  If she didn’t have an empathic relationship with the students, these things wouldn’t happen.  Even if it doesn’t fit in the environmental context, working with a school that doesn’t align with goals for the person.  Painful not to be in alignment with the value system.  School isn’t something you can leave at the office.  You’re never really done.  I want to believe in what I’m doing.  That will make me happy.   I want to avoid pain.  Want life to be enjoyable.  


There was an experience regarding a student and it came down hard on Gray for being close to students and a student in particular, etc.  You stand out for teaching differently, in spite of good test results, etc.


“I should be careful” and I don’t know if I’m necessarily aligned about what we are moving towards.


It’s pain for you to not be in alignment


Why is it important for you to be in alignment?


I want to be in alignment of what I do and what I believe.  


Why do you want to believe in what you’re doing?


I think that if you don’t have a connection with what you’re doing


What do you want to happy?


I want to make life happy and enjoyable.


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What is the greatest pain around Pain?

  • It prevents me from how my school operates

  • I had an administrator blame it on me.




Empathy Map

1. Interviewee Name:  Gray

Your Name:  Edwin

Insight/Story:   Gray wants to feel alignment with her values and her work.  And doesn't feel that now where she is working.  Teaching and life go together.

Feeling:    pain, disconnection.
Met Need:  
Unmet Need:  alignment, happiness, empathy

Feedback:  

HMW:   How might we… design IETA so that it aligns with members values?



2. Interviewee Name: Gray

Your Name:  Chuck Pezeshki

Insight/Story:   Gray is a teacher, moving from an empathic teaching community to a more traditional teaching/admin. community

Feeling:   Gray feels isolated in her professional community because of a lack of shared values with creating a community with the students as well as the faculty.  She feels pretty profound in-group/out-group dynamics associated with her teaching community, and feels like she is in the out-group.
Met Need:  Gray has the ability to form profound relationships with lots of different people, including professionals in the field with experiential education.  She has the ability to understand the student mindset through perceptive and non-judgmental assessment.
Unmet Need: Larger connection with a professional support community.  Modalities for introducing change/acceptance dynamics inside her professional community.  Communication strategies for effectiveness of new pedagogical methods based on empathy.

Feedback:  Gray is a classic example of an audience that could be supported by IETA.  She is young, empathic herself, so is receptive to coaching.  She suffers from some level of ego deflation from being in non-empathic networks and needs support.


Gray agrees with feedback.  

HMW:   How might we… Continue process of support and development.  Shared stories of change in hierarchical organizations.  Learning how to ‘bud out’ empathic communities inside of Authoritarian/Legalistic non-empathic systems.




3. Interviewee Name: Gray

Your Name:  Parth

Insight/Story:   Gray feels out of alignment of what she believes and how she practices in.

Feeling:    Hopeful about what is possible, frustrated about her experience due to the gap of how she feels in the moment and driven about how she can support her students to come from their authentic selves.
Met Need:  Making a difference, connection, being a contribution
Unmet Need:  Feeling stifled,

Feedback:  

HMW:   How might we… .Align organizational processes with what feels authentic and inside of a place of values and vision.




4. Interviewee Name:  Gray

Your Name:   Gray

Insight/Story:   I am a teacher who is unsure about my place at my current position.  I enjoy teaching but the place I am at now has created some interesting feelings.  My current school undermines my style of teaching and my personality.  

Feeling: Confusion, isolation, frustration,    
Met Need:  interaction with students, ability to connect with students on a daily basis, sharing knowledge, career forward movement.
Unmet Need: camaraderie..,

Feedback:  

HMW:   How might we… provide support to trainees and fellow members?






Other Interviews

Grays Interviews Parth


How do you find empathy is valuable to you in your work?


Moved to india, 6 months

Want to create internships

When I talk to rickshaw drivers

I play with the dogs here

Want to create a space to work with NGOs, new language,


My work with empathy - I can connect from a heart space, that is not language.

Empathy goes beyond geographical models,

Empathy touches the heart space

It does not require ???

It just requires vulnerability, safety, In that space


A problem with empathy?

A person abused their power.  It became the ‘me ‘show, instead of the ‘we’ show.

I perceived this guy being stuck and not moving



Parth  Interviews Edwin

What inspired you to delve into creating this org.?

Looking for meaning, traveling and seeking the meaning of life.

Even in the tech field, I was seeking the meaning of life.  Did documentaries about this - came across empathy.  This was what I was seeking.

Empathy = moments of deep connections between people.

Empathy as a gateway.

Barack Obama - “Country has an empathy deficit”

The whole world has a deficit, we need a whole world that values empathy.  This is what can end conflict and change the world, what can create a more fulfilling life for myself and the world.


What are the practices that you’ve engaged in that have allowed you to connect deeper to your empathic self?

-Empathy circle - Carl Rogers

-We all have empathy, we are in a constant state of empathy even though there are blocks.

-Need to address blocks to empathy.  Fear is a major block.  So is stress and anxiety.

-Yoga, dance, etc can help relax us to open us up and make up more open to others.



Do you feel as though there is anything beyond empathy?

-Empathy is the gateway to a cornucopia of beautiful feelings.  You need to maintain empathy to keep these feelings open.  Those feelings are what are beyond empathy.  







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