Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella

Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear (syn: Boehmeria caudata (Burm. fil.) J. J. Sm. (ambiguous synonym); Boehmeria macrophylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) D. G. Long; Boehmeria platyphylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) Wedd.; Boehmeria scabrella Gaud. (ambiguous synonym); Splitgerbera scabrella (Roxb.) Dalz. & Gibs.; Urtica caudata Burm. fil. (ambiguous synonym); Urtica scabrella Roxb.); 

(China (N-Guangdong, N-Guangxi, Guizhou, Yunnan), Tibet,Bhutan, India, Nepal, Sikkim, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Vietnam, Java, Lesser Sunda Isl. (Bali), Borneo, Bangladesh as per Catalogue of Life);


 
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Plant for ID_AS_Shrub_20Nov17 : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)
Please help ID the following plant. 
Location: Datyar (Near Kalka), Solan District, Himalachal Pradesh.
Date: 19 Nov'17.
Plant was ~ 5 feet tall and seems to be very common in the area.


Boehmeria macrophylla (var. scabrella?), a common plant in Dharamshala area too.

Thank you very much for your identification, and help. Indeed, it was very common in that area. It seems to be Larval Host Plant for Sailer/Common sergeant butterflies.

Yes, appears to be Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear only as per images, details and references herein.


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Boehmeria japonica (L.f.) Miq. from Tiger fall area Chakrata:
Boehmeria japonica (L.f.) Miq.
syn: B. macrophylla var. scabrella (Wedd.) Long; B. platyphylla var. scabrella Wedd.; B. longispica Steud.
Perennial herb reaching 1.5 m tall; leaves opposite, subequal in size, ovate-suborbicular or ovate, up to 5-10 cm in our plant (up to 17 cm in type plant) long, papery, secondary veins 1-3 pairs along midvein, margin serrate-dentate (deeply dentate in type plant), abaxial surface rugose with reticulate veins strongly raised, adaxial surface stiffly hispid, apex gradually acuminate, base cuneate; spikes simple, rarely branched, erect,, male shorter than female spikes, latter not reaching the apex of subtending leaf; male flowers 4-merous, sessile; fruiting perianth obovoid, compressed, with 2-toothed apex.
Photographed from Tiger fall area in Chakrata in September.
This plant is described in Flora of British India (vol. 5, page 578) as Boehmeria platyphylla var. scabrella wedd, characterised by leaves rugose above and short erect subsimple spikes. In Flora of China this plant is treated as B. macrophylla var. scabrella (Wedd.) D G Long, with Leaf blade 4.5-7(-10) × 2-4(-6) cm, papery, abaxial surface with reticulate veins strongly raised, adaxial surface rugose, stiffly hispid, apex gradually acuminate as against var. macrophylla with Leaf blade 6.5-18 × 3.2-12 cm, often membranous, abaxial surface appressed strigose, reticulate veins slightly raised, adaxial surface sparsely strigose, apex long-cuspidate, 1.5-2 cm. Female spikes ± branched, nodding at apex.
It must be noted that var. scabrella together with Boehmeria longispica which is very similar to this and resembling our plant as seen in the link below are now considered as synonyms of Boehmeria japonica.
Perhaps the crucial difference between B. macrophylla (uploaded already by me in separate thread and by ... on FOI) has membranous leaves with long slender branched spikes and our above plant B. japonica characterised by thicker (papery) leaves, rugose above with raised veins and stiff erect unbranched spikes. 
Please note that B. japonica is a polymorphic species with typical plants (see Flora China which treats our plant under B. macrophylla var. scabrella) having upper part of leaf with deep teeth. This would naturally change with inclusion of above synonyms as per The Plant List.

Boehmeria platyphylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) Wedd. & Boehmeria macrophylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) D. G. Long are synonyms for Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per Catalogue of life (China (N-Guangdong, N-Guangxi, Guizhou, Yunnan), Tibet, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Sikkim, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Vietnam, Java, Lesser Sunda Isl. (Bali), Borneo, Bangladesh);
Boehmeria japonica (L. fil.) Miq. (syn. Boehmeria longispica Steud.) does not have any distribution in our area (China (Anhui, Fujian, S-Gangsu, Guangdong, Guangxi, Guizhou, W-Hebei, W-Henan, Hubei, Hunan, Jiangsu, Jiangxi, Shaanxi, Shanxi, Shandong, Sichuan, SE-Yunnan, Zhejiang), Taiwan, Japan (Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu), North Korea, South Korea (incl. Cheju Isl.))


12102011GS1 Boehmeria sp. from Tiger fall area Chakrata: Photographed from Tiger fall area on September 16, 2011, this plant is much more robust than B. macrophylla Hornema taller plant up to 1.5 m tall, leaves thicker and distinctly rugose on surface, the inflorescence axis is more rigid with globose larger cymose clusters.
Any clues on identity please.
Sir isnt B. macrophylla reported to have rugose leaves.
Also it is reported to grow till 3 m.
Could there be geographical variations?!
I think the plant uploaded by me as B. macrophylla and one on Flowers of India (which are same) are much different from this plant.
Ok Sirji.. I was going through the supplement of Flowers of Himalaya and found the resemblance (Unfortunately do not have the main book right now, so cant go through the description).
However, few e sites have described it -
http://www.hear.org/pier/species/boehmeria_macrophylla.htm
Please see details in my another mail on B. macrophylla. Several websites fall in this trap of confusion.
Right Sir....
Further exploration of this plant leads me to think that this plant may be one described in Flora of British India (vol. 5, page 578) as Boehmeria platyphylla var. scabrella wedd, characterised by leaves rugose above and short erect subsimple spikes. This plant is treated as B. macrophylla var. scabrella (Wedd.) D G Long, with Leaf blade 4.5-7(-10) × 2-4(-6) cm, papery, abaxial surface with reticulate veins strongly raised, adaxial surface rugose, stiffly hispid, apex gradually acuminate as against var. macrophylla with Leaf blade 6.5-18 × 3.2-12 cm, often membranous, abaxial surface appressed strigose, reticulate veins slightly raised, adaxial surface sparsely strigose, apex long-cuspidate, 1.5-2 cm. Female spikes ± branched, nodding at apex.
It must be noted that var. scabrella together with Boehmeria longispica which is very similar to this and resembling our plant as seen in the link below are now considered as synonyms of Boehmeria japonica.
Perhaps the crucial difference between B. macrophylla (uploaded already by me in separate thread and by ... on FOI) has membranous leaves with long slender branched spikes and our above plant B. japonica characterised by thicker (papery) leaves, rugose above with raised veins and stiff erect unbranched spikes. 
I think my above plant should be
Boehmeria japonica (L.f.) Miq.
syn: B. macrophylla var. scabrella (Wedd.) Long; B. platyphylla var. scabrella Wedd.; B. longispica Steud.
Please note that B. japonica is a polymorphic species with typical plants (see Flora China) having upper part of leaf with deep teeth. This would naturally change with inclusion of above synonyms as per The Plant List. 
Your comments please.

Thanks, ...,
Boehmeria platyphylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) Wedd. & Boehmeria macrophylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) D. G. Long are synonyms for Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per Catalogue of life (China (N-Guangdong, N-Guangxi, Guizhou, Yunnan), Tibet, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Sikkim, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Vietnam, Java, Lesser Sunda Isl. (Bali), Borneo, Bangladesh);
Boehmeria japonica (L. fil.) Miq. (syn. Boehmeria longispica Steud.) does not have any distribution in our area (China (Anhui, Fujian, S-Gangsu, Guangdong, Guangxi, Guizhou, W-Hebei, W-Henan, Hubei, Hunan, Jiangsu, Jiangxi, Shaanxi, Shanxi, Shandong, Sichuan, SE-Yunnan, Zhejiang), Taiwan, Japan (Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu), North Korea, South Korea (incl. Cheju Isl.))


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Boehmeria platyphylla D. Don ?? : 7 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (7)
Location:  Suryavinayak, Bhktapur, Nepal
Date: 7 October 2017
Elevation : 4600 ft.

Yes, to me also appear close to images at Boehmeria macrophylla

Boehmeria platyphylla D. Don or Boehmeria macrophylla D. Don  ??

I think both are same as per efi link.  

Thank you ...!
Nepali Names : काम्ले Kaamle / गार्गलो Gaargalo / धादले Dhaadale / कालो भ्राउन Kaalo BHraaun / चाल्ने सिस्नु Chaalne Sisnu / झिल्लेरी  Jhilleree 
Boehmeria macrophylla Hornem. or Boehmeria macrophylla D. Don  ???

Appears to be Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per images, details and references herein.
This is listed in Nepal. Is it the same ?
Boehmeria virgata ( G. Frost.) Guill. subsp. macrophylla (Hornem.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear
Where it is listed as I can not find it in the checklist of Nepal.
May be, but can not say due to recent drastic changes in their nomenclature.
Is nomenclature correct for this sp.?
Hoping correct ...,
check once with this https://www.ipni.org/n/850718-1,
ID is Boehmeria platyphylla D. Don ?? or Boehmeria virgata ( G. Frost.) Guill. subsp. macrophylla (Hornem.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear according follow up mails?
Thank you, sir, I understand now,
ID ?
Boehmeria platyphylla D. Don Synonym of Boehmeria virgata var. macrostachya (Wight) Friis & Wilmot-Dear
and what there is mention in the book is
Boehmeria virgata ( G. Frost.) Guill. subsp. macrophylla (Hornem.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear 
Where did you get the name platyphylla
Finally the correct ID. Thank you ...!
Correct nomenclature can be seen at Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per images, details and references herein.


 
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MS May,2016/19 Boehmeria sp. for ID : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Location : Sairep, Mizoram
Date : 11/05/2016
Habit : Undershrub
Habitat : Wild

Boehmeria species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available on net) 
Looks close to Boehmeria macrophylla Hornemann (Urticaceae)

Appears to be Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per images, details and references herein.


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Boehmeria macrophylla Hornem, Hort. Bot. Hafn. 2: 890 1815. Syn: Boehmeria platyphylla D. Don
Photographed from Dakpathar on September 16, 2011, growing along roadsides. Pl validate
Nice Sir I am also uploding mine 

I think it should be Boehmeria platyphylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) Wedd. or Boehmeria macrophylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) D. G. Long (synonyms for Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear
I feel this is also closer to images at Boehmeria japonica as per your another thread: Boehmeria japonica (L.f.) Miq. from Tiger fall area Chakrata
I think it should be Boehmeria platyphylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) Wedd. or Boehmeria macrophylla var. scabrella (Roxb.) D. G. Long (synonyms for Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear

  
Boehmeria japonica in FOI : 3 posts by 2 authors.
Boehmeria japonica in FOI, should be Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per detailed discussions, images and references herein.
Pl. correct accordingly.

Thanks ..., Corrected 


 
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SK 2266 02 November 2019 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2) - 3 mb each.
Location:  Harthok, Palpa
Date: 25 September 2019
Elevation:1400 m.
Habit : Wild
Boehmeria platyphylla D. Don or subsp. ??

Attachments (3)-1,1 & 4 mb. 
I think closer to Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per comparative images at Boehmeria  


 
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SK 2270 04 November 2019 : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3)-1, 2 & 4 mb. 
Location:  Ranimahal, Palpa
Date: 25 September 2019
Elevation:453 m.
Habit : Wild
Boehmeria virgata subsp. macrophylla (Hornem.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear or some other subsp. ?? 
Attachments (2)- 836 kb & 4 mb. 
Attachments (4)-576 kb, 1, 2 & 3 mb. 
Attachments (1) - 6 mb.
will need to study this one
Sure !

I think closer to Boehmeria virgata var. scabrella (Roxb.) Friis & Wilmot-Dear as per comparative images at Boehmeria


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