Scrophularia himalensis

Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth., Scroph. Ind. 18 1835. as per IPNI;
 
Obtusely angled robust herb with ovate-lanceolate to ovate-cordate leaves without appendages on petiole; flowers in few flowered cymes forming a loose panicle about 10 cm broad; sepals obtuse-rounded, scarious-margined, shorter than capsule; corolla green, 4-5 mm long, upper lobes longer than others; fetile stamens much protruded from corolla; capsule globose, style 6-9 mm long.
 
Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (Description & Keys- Scrophularia calycina, edgeworthii, himalayensis (himalensis in the Plant List), polyantha, exserta, obtusa, robusta, petraea, dentata, scoparia, nudata, stewartii, suffruticosa, stenothyrsa, koelzii, scabiosaefolia, moniliformis, decomposita & striata)      


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Scrophularia for Id from Chakrata: This tall herb was captured from near Deoban Herbal park, Chakrata, very common there. This I suppose can be a species of Scrophularia. Please provide the id....
I don't think there is any species by that name.
It should be Scrophularia himalensis

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Scrophularia himalensis AT OCT2016/07 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (5)
Scrophularia himalensis
Herb: Approx. 1m tall
October 23, 2016
Place: Narkanda, Shimla, India
Altitude: 8700- 8800 feet
 

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Very beautiful pics ...!!
Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex Benth. Scroph. Indicae 18, 1835
Obtusely angled robust herb with ovate-lanceolate to ovate-cordate leaves without appendages on petiole; flowers in few flowered cymes forming a loose panicle about 10 cm broad; sepals obtuse-rounded, scarious-margined, shorter than capsule; corolla green, 4-5 mm long, upper lobes longer than others; fetile stamens much protruded from corolla; capsule globose, style 6-9 mm long.
Common in Kashmir usually at lower altitudes.
Photographed from Kashmir University Botanical Garden, Srinagar.


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Scrophularia himalayensis from Kashmir: Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex Benth. Scroph. Indicae 18, 1835 
Obtusely angled robust herb with ovate-lanceolate to ovate-cordate leaves without appendages on petiole; flowers in few flowered cymes forming a loose panicle about 10 cm broad; sepals obtuse-rounded, scarious-margined, shorter than capsule; corolla green, 4-5 mm long, upper lobes longer than others; fetile stamens much protruded from corolla; capsule globose, style 6-9 mm long.
Common in Kashmir usually at lower altitudes.
Photographed from Kashmir University Botanical Garden, Srinagar.
 
 
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This Scrophularia was shot from Chakrata region, please help to identify.. can this be Scrophularia elatior?
S. elatior is more like S. edgeworthii (sepals without scarious margin) with much longer filaments. This one seems to have clearly scarious margin. I would go with. S. himalayensis.
Thanks Sir for the id help..
 
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Scrophularia sp.? ABAUG01/24 : 9 posts by 4 authors. 3 images.
Is this a Scrophularia sp? The leaves are dark green and herbaceous and the plants reach about five feet tall (mostly they bend under their own weight or battered by rain). Please advise.
Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
1800m
17 August 2015 
Just to add to this mail. I find a weevil feeding on the Scrophularia plants almost everyday. After poking around for a long time I finally found its identity and thought I will share with you. The plant I think now is Scrophularia himalensis or a Figwort.
A tiny weevil not larger than about 4mm, Cionus sp. very likely Cionus hortulanus.
4 images.
Very nice pics of the insect ... the plant is, I think, rightly identified as Scrophularia himalensis..
Thank you ... Here are a couple of photographs I took today of the flowers. 2 images.

Thanks, ... for all these wonderful posts

 
Scrophularia himalensis nomenclature : 2 posts by 2 authors.
Last year I had photographed the plants of S. himalensis Royle ex Benth very commonly growing in Simla, Kashmir and other hill stations of NW Himalayas and prominently mentioned in all older Floras from the region. While checking its status I find that this as well as the closely related species are not mentioned in recent books on Himalayas, nor any website dealing with floristics. Instead S. elatior is prominently mentioned in these books as well as in GRIN and eflora of China as species from Himalayas. Can any member find the link between the two and authentic citation of synonymy for these related species.
 
Last year I had photographed from Manalis Scrophularia himalensis Royle, quite common in NW Himalayas and described all older Floras from the region. While checking its latest nomenclature I find that this species as well as closely related S. polyantha not mentioned in recent Floras/databases and instead find S. elatior mentioned in recent publications. Can any one please sort out this problem for me.
 
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Verbenaceae herb ? SN61117 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)
Wild herb both in Manali area and Uttrakhand

Scrophularia sp. 

Thanks ...; It is Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. according to flora Kullu district by Dhaliwal and Sharma 1999
 
 
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Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02 : 17 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (24)
As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some confusion about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell (Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalyas) and earlier George Bentham (Scrophularianeae Indicae) both use Scrophularia himlayensis, POWO only recognises Scrophularia himalensis.
A very similar plant, Scrophularia elatior, is listed in Flora of China and is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given Nepal and farther east towards South-central China.
There is no mention of S. himalensis in Flora of China, which is understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: in Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir.
So our plants should be S. himalensis since S. himalayensis is not accepted by POWO or the Plant List.
When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I could not find out.
Pennell describes the species as:
"Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; inflorescence relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, slightly scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. long; seeds 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete."
This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would if Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens. I am yet to see the seeds but the inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm long on plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is correct in the description but style is roughly 12mm long. The four stamens are slightly shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The leaves can be as large as 25cm long and 12cm wide and vary in shape on the same plant, some more elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of the most attractive of all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its length and some can have hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with rounded edges, becoming more round upwards. It may not be very strong as it's common to see the plants battered by rain.
It is also difficult to see the corolla made up of two lips. I have tried but not understood properly. 
I am sharing some photos here to show some of these features.
All photos taken in Mcleodganj and above, between 1750-1850m elevations, this year and earlier.
PS: I had to remove some photos as the message size exceeded 8mb.

I missed checking on GBIF which accepts Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It lists Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 occurrences (11 for S. himalensis Royle, which it treats as a synonym). To add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are recorded originally as S. himalayensis.
I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members to decide.

You can post upto 8 mb in first post and than attach again upto 8 mb in its reply.
Thus, you can post upto any amount but in successive replies in the same thread. 
Thank you ... I will do that in future.
I have learnt that when in doubt, pl. follow IPNI 
So take Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as the correct name.
There is no record of the other name in IPNI on search. 
Thank you ... I will do as advised.



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