Casearia graveolens

 
Casearia graveolens Dalzell, Hooker's J. Bot. Kew Gard. Misc. 4: 107 107 1852. (Syn: Casearia graveolens var. lintsangensis S.Y. Bao; Casearia hamiltonii Wall.; Casearia macrogyna Turcz.; Samyda glabra Buch.-Ham.) as per Catalogue of Life;

India (Himachal Pradesh, Darjeeling, Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal, Assam, Meghalaya, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Kerala), Sikkim, Jammu & Kashmir (Kashmir), Bhutan, Bangladesh, Thailand, China (Yunnan), Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar [Burma] (Mandalay, Rakhine, Yangon), Vietnam, Bhutan as per Catalogue of Life;

Bangladesh, Cambodia, China South-Central, East Himalaya, India, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand, Vietnam, West Himalaya as per as per POWO;

Pandhri karai, Rivit, Chilla • Hindi: Safed-Karai, Chilla, Phempri • Marathi: Bhokoda, Mori, Pimpari • Malayalam: Anavananni, Anavinga, Cherukannan, Chirakonna • Telugu: Girivudi, Vasanga, Veska, Vaasanga • Kannada: Haniche, Konje, Bokara, Hanise, Killangi • Oriya: Beniman, Jamurdo, Kokra • Nepali: Sano dedri; 


 
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For ID- 300612- NS2- frm Pune: This bush was photographed in wild , near Mulshi, on 10th June 12.
Please Id.
Habitat- Wild
Habit- Bush
Height- Appx 8-9 feet
Leaves- Elliptical-ovate with pointed tip ( appx length 8-10 cm)
Fruits- Fleshy , bright yellow- orangish.

holarrhena pubescens Pandhra Kuda (Marathi: पांढरा कुडा)
Negative. This is Casearia ovata [C.esculenta] locally called Kirmira / Kulkulta. Please check the archives of this group for my photographs of this.

A few of my photographs of this are available at these links
isn't this more likely to be C. graveolens ?. I also looked at your pics and I have a doubt.
In Shahapur area I feel C. graveolens is the commoner species of the 2.
Please enlighten me!
Good question ! Had me foxed for awhile. Checked Dr. Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. The main difference between the 2 being - while the stipules in C.ovata are minute, scale-like; in C. graveolens they are long, lanceolate-subulate.
Spoke to Dr. Almeida. According to him the current trend in veering towards considering both the same.
yes, and the other difference according to some sources is the leaf margins. C. graveolens is described as having crenate leaf margins, whereas C. ovata according to some sources has entire leaves. The pics posted here show crenate leaves. See also the Biotik website which shows C. ovata (esculenta) with closeups of the leaves. They are quite different.
Fair enough, but the leaf-margin as a differentiating characteristic is not mentioned in any of the standard reference books. [In fact, for example in Olea dioica, while most have leaves with serrate margins there are some which have leaves with entire margins].
Yes, that's true. But as we only have limited clues to go on, as in these photos, we have to go with whatever we can!


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id plz SG1 : 2 images. 2 posts by 2 authors.
need id of following attachments.
Location: Hajimalang, Mumbai.
23/03/2013
Casearia graveolens
 
 
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Casearia graveolens Dalzell ... also placed in: Flacourtiaceae  
in Matheran on 19 FEB 11  
Well done Sir.

Casearia graveolens Dalzell ... also placed in: Flacourtiaceae
at Nagla forest (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park) on 11 APR 10
Excellent. 


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Plant for ID : AVD-1 18052015 : 9 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (8)
Please help me identify the fruiting twig. The images are attached herewith.
The details are as follows:
Date : 17th May 2015
Habit : Unarmed shrub : 3 feet tall
Place : Kamshet. Maharashtra
Leaves : Alternate, 5.5 cm x 11 cm Elliptic, minutely serrate, apex: acute, base : oblique, no white sap when plucked, petioles 1 cm
Flowers : Not seen but inflorescence must be in fascicles attached to main stem. Calyx : pentamours with free sepals.
Berries: 1 cm, Yellow when ripe, persistent calyx, berries splitting in 3 segments to eject red seeds.
Is it a species of Pittosporum?

On the basis of photographs, It could be Casearia elliptica Willd.
Fam. Samydaceae 
Thank you ... for the lead. It is indeed a species of Casearia. The features are more closer to C.graveolens (habit: shrub & glabrous leaves) rather than its closely related C. elliptica (habit : tree; tomentose leaves).
I will have to wait for a year to confirm the id.
it is Caesaria graveolens
The plant showing in the photographs is Casearia tomentosa (FAM: Flacourtiaceae).
efi pages on Casearia tomentosa (syn. Casearia elliptica Willd.) & Casearia graveolens
It is Casearia graveolens


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Flacourtia indica : 20 posts by 14 authors. Attachments (3)
Sharing few photos of Flacourtia indica seen in Yeoor on last Sunday (18.6.10). I saw these beautiful flowers first time.
..., is that shrub found just about 100 metres from the iron gate entry to Yeoor Hills ?
I think Flacourtia indica has more number of stamens than depicted in this flower.......
I know what ... is going to say, Casearia species isn't it ji?!
Yes, correct ... the slender shrub that am referring is strong in my mind ... ... has given the ID ... Casearia elliptica (presently C. tomentosa).
This is Casearia ovata (Lamk.) Willd. of family Flacourtiaceae. It was profusely flowering in mid June at Yeoor and many insects like butterflies, bees and flies were fluttering around it to feed on its nectar.
This is not Flacaurtia, for sure, and for Casearia...... Well, a good close up of leaf would make life easy, I guess. it seems that the leaves are serrated and the venations is very much different from both the genus 
Attached are my photos, (may not be) the exact tree, in Yeoor hills seen on 19 JUN 10 about 7:20 AM.
Hope these should help resolve the ID. Attachments (5)
Blepharistemma serratum (old name B corymbosum) of Rhizophoraceae family. So far reported from Kerala and Karnataka only. A rare, endemic (Western Ghats) species. Small/medium sized tree.
These cannot be Blepharistemma serratum because as per Biotik database they have simple,  opposite leaves, interpetiolar and caducous. Both ... and ... pictures show alternate leaves and leaf margins also do not match Blepharistemma serratum. The pictures cannot be Casearia ovata either leaves, margins and flowers not matching.
Casearia most probably graveolens
I too agree with Casearia
This is Casearia graveolens.
Attaching one of my images, of the leaf under surface. Attachments (1)
I agree with ..., Casearia graveolens


 
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Casearia graveolens seen en-route kalsubai (Maharashtra).
Okay.
 
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Attached are pictures of Casearia graveolens from SGNP, Mumbai in July 2013.
Requested to please validate ID.
this is Casearia graveolens,

Casearia graveolens Dalzell ... also placed in Flacourtiaceae
at base of Koraigad on 30 APR 09
Very good photographs ...
Well, such a photo matches you only.
 
 
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Attached are pictures of Casearia ovata from SGNP, Mumbai in July 2013.
This has been posted and identified on the forum before. 
to me this is also C. graveolens. The shape of the leaf and the small crenations are characteristic.
Plus, to my knowledge C. ovata is restricted to the understorey of evergreen forests.
Supporting ... C. ovata is an under storey shrub of evergreen forests.
I believe, few populations occur at Matheran forest 
I have resurfaced my earlier post where this was IDed as C. ovata here
I hope ... clarified the ambiguity with her authentic detailing, what I call - The Field Truths of Taxonomy
Yes, thanks to ... for clearing detailing the differences...


 
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Requesting to please ID this plant with green fruits captured on the Silonda trail, SGNP in Mumbai in June 2013.
schleichera oleasa or kusum perhaps
This is Casearia ovata locally called Kirmira / Kulkulta. Some of my photographs of this are available at this link

One observation is the texture of the fruits in your pics is uneven whereas I think in my pics is smooth. Is this okay??
Please check this link
Casearia sps for sure
In the Salicaceae (including Flacourtiaceae) fortnight, ID has tended towards Casearia graveolens instead of C. ovata... Resurfacing the post for the mail trail above.. I am a bit confused now... 
the 2 species are quite similar but once you see the leaves of the 2 side by side you will see the difference. IN some images which only show the fruit it is very difficult to say which is which.
If you look at the habitat of the Silonda trail you will see it is typical moist deciduous and that is a big clue. C. graveolens is very common in these kinds of forests whereas C. ovata is restricted to everygreen forest understorey.
The other clue is fruiting time. Your pics were taken in June so it is certainly not C. ovata which flowers end of June to early August and fruits in September - October.

Thanks ... for clearing detailing the differences...


 
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Requesting to please ID this tree captured on the Shilonda trail, SGNP, Mumbai in July 2014.
This looks like Casearia graveolens.
Thanks ... for identifying so manyyyyy of my posts...

 
 
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Fwd: Habitat shrub Fruit colour yellow red for id : 6 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)- 3 mb. 
Habitat shurb
Fruit colour yellow red
Flower
Location mawal Near lonawala Pune Maharashtra
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Most possibly Casearia graveolens.


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SK1121 18 MAY 2018 : 11 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (8)- around 700 kb each. 
Location: Dharke, Naubise, Nepal
Date: 2 May 2018
Altitude: 2600 ft.
Habit : Wild
Casearia glomerata Roxb.  ??

Thank you ... Could not go more close. Shot from bus window.😁! 

It looks so; Casearia is sure

There is no match other than Casearia glomerata but this does not represent the typical condition as the fruiting pedicels appear to be less that 10 mm in length.

I think very close as per images at Casearia graveolens also.
Pl. check keys from BSI as below (blue for glomerata):
5a.  Young shoots pubescent; immature leaves puberulous along midrib and secondary veins; mature leaves sometimes very minutely puberulent along midrib and veins near base
6
b.  Young shoots and both immature and mature leaves completely glabrous
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6a.  Leaves 3 - 5-pliveined at base
b.  Leaves pinnately veined from base
7
7a.  Leaves subcoriaceous, shiny, acute at apex, closely arranged; nodes usually 5 -7 (-10) mm apart; pedicels ca 1 mm long; calyx hairy on both sides; ovary hirsute at least towards apex
b.  Leaves chartaceous, acuminate at apex, not shiny, not closely arranged; nodes 10 - 20 mm or more apart; pedicels 4 - 6 mm long; calyx hairy outside; ovary glabrous
8a.  Pedicels (at least below articulations) and calyx hairy
9
b.  Pedicels and calyx glabrous
10
9a.  Leaves usually broadly elliptic to elliptic-oblong, rounded at base, shallowly crenate along margins, prominently reticulate, especially beneath when mature; reticulum coarse to touch
b.  Leaves usually narrowly elliptic-oblong or elliptic-lanceolate, usually cuneate or attenuate and unequal sided at base, entire and revolute along margins, indistinctly reticulate even when mature; reticulum smooth to touch

BSI Flora gives for Casearia glomerata : India: Mixed evergreen forests, 1000 - 3000 m. West Bengal (Darjeeling), Sikkim, Assam, Meghalaya and Arunachal Pradesh; Bhutan

I guess you are right …
 
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Flacourtia indica : Attachments (3). 16 posts by 12 authors.
Sharing few photos of Flacourtia indica seen in Yeoor on last Sunday (18.6.10). I saw these beautiful flowers first time.
..., is that shrub found just about 100 metres from the iron gate entry to Yeoor Hills ?
I think Flacourtia indica has more number of stamens than depicted in this flower.......
I know what ... is going to say, Casearia species isn't it ji?!
Yes, correct ... the slender shrub that am referring is strong in my mind ...
... has given the ID ... Casearia elliptica (presently C. tomentosa).
This is Casearia ovata (Lamk.) Willd. of family Flacourtiaceae. It was profusely flowering in mid June at Yeoor and many insects like butterflies, bees and flies were fluttering around it to feed on its nectar.
This is not Flacaurtia, for sure, and for Casearia...... Well, a good close up of leaf would make life easy, I guess. it seems that the leaves are serrated and the venations is very much different from both the genus
Attached are my photos, (may not be) the exact tree, in Yeoor hills seen on 19 JUN 10 about 7:20 AM.
Hope these should help resolve the ID.
Blepharistemma serratum (old name B corymbosum) of Rhizophoraceae family. So far reported from Kerala and Karnataka only. A rare, endemic (Western Ghats) species. Small/medium sized tree.
These cannot be Blepharistemma serratum because as per Biotik database they have simple, opposite leaves, interpetiolar and caducous. Both ... and ... pictures show alternate leaves and leaf margins also do not match Blepharistemma serratum.
The pictures cannot be Casearia ovata either leaves, margins and flowers not matching.
Casearia most probably graveolens
I too agree with Casearia
 
 
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I came across this one on the way to "Kalsubai" (May-2008). ID please??

They are the fruit of Casearia esculenta locally called Kirmira or Kulkulta.
I got confused trying to understand this one. I could not find description of Casearia esculenta in any book. This link (I won't bet my money on its relaibility)
http://www.ayushveda.com/herbs/casearia-esculenta.htm
says that the fruits are spherical and red in color when ripe.
   On the other hand, Casearia graveolens is descibed at Flora of China site as having "Capsule orange-yellow when ripe, dark reddish or blackish brown and strongly longitudinally ribbed when dried, ellipsoid-oblong, ca. 2 cm, fleshy..."
   Any comments on this?
Have a look at this link of "flora of eastern Ghats". It talks about both the species i.e Casearia eaculenta as well as C.graveolens.
It indicates that for C.graveolens, the capsule is ellipsoid / sub-globuse where as for C. esculenta it mentions as only ellipsoid, orange as earlier indicated by ....
    Thanks for for the book reference, something I was desperately looking for. It was a sight for sore eyes!
Looking at this, I feel that your plant is probably Casearia graveolens.
  Casearia graveolens is supposed to have broadly elliptic leaves and yellow ellipsoid fruit, which agrees with your picture.
  Casearia esculenta is supposed to have narrowly elliptic-lance shaped leaves and ellipsoid orange fruit. Both of these feature don't agree well with your picture.
   I would like others to present their opinion on this.
I think u r right. Further flowers of Sahyadri by … also talks of C.graveolens with capsules 2-3cm, ellipsoid, smooth, 3 valved, yellow; seeds with scarlet aril.
I was not able to verify the ID of
  http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Saptrangi.html
properly. This book describes the flowers of Casearia esculenta as yellowish and those of Casearia graveolens as pale green. Now the flowers in the FOI link do look pale green to me.
  Me still confused. Maybe it is the confusion of synonyms...
looks very much like Casearia graveolens, infact this species is very common in areas where the picture is taken.


unfortunately i do not have  a pic of a tree.
pics were taken in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Borivli, Mumbai in the month of June 09.
kindly identify.
 It is Casearia esculenta locally called Kirmira or Kulkulta. Please check the archives of this group for previous discussions on the same.
It seems that specimen shows serrate margin.
If it is so, there is a chance for Casearia wynadensis Bedd. - Flacourtiaceae!!
You can check the following link for clarity!!!
http://biotik.org/india/species/c/casewyna/casewyna_en.html
For more identification you can refer the following site!!!
Computer-aided Identification of Tropical Forest Trees (BIOTIK) for Western Ghats, available in Web portal http://www.biotik.org/  and http://www.ifpindia.org/biotik/
This electronic key in DVD published by French Institute of Pondicherry....

Pittosporum spp.? It very much reminds me of Pittosporum timorense.
this is Casearia graveolens Dalz. in Kew J. Bot. 4: 107, 1852; Hook. f. Fl. Brit. India 2: 592, 1872; Almeida, Fl. Mah. 1: 61, 1996; Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 1: 233, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 102, 2005.
Common Name: Bokhada, Pandhri karai, Rivit.
the leaves are GLABROUS in this case.
if the leaves are TOMENTOSE then it is
Casearia elliptica Willd. Sp. Pl. 2: 628, 1799; Almeida, Fl. Mah 1: 65, 1996.
Synonyms: C. anavigna Dalz. & Gibs., Bombay Fl. 11, 1861. C. tomentosa Roxb., Fl. India 2: 421, 1832; Hook. f. Fl. Brit. India 2: 593, 1879; Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 521, 1958 (Repr.); Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 235, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 103, 2005. Bedusia aromatica Raf., Sylvat. Tellor. 11, 1838.
Common name: Chilla, Chari, Bheri, Modi, Modgi, Tordil, Kesa, Kali- Karai

Casearia graveolens Dalz. is common in SGNP tarticularly cilionda trail, where as C. elliptica can be commonly observed at Tungareshwar.


Considering this plant to be Casearia tomentosa (= C. elliptica),
One of my flickr friend doubts it to be C. zeylanica ... which searching on internet does not yield any results.
Please validate the ID.
And what is / are easy visual difference between C. tomentosa and C. graveolens ?
Attached photographs of two plants separated by hardly 2 - 3 m ... one fruiting, other flowering.
Date/Time : July 3, 2010 at 3.48pm IST
Location Place : Tungwadi (near Tung fort), Lonavala
Altitude : 829 m (above mean sea level)
GPS : around 18°39'31.35"N, 73°27'32.22"E

Habitat : along trail in forest at the base of hill
Type : could be deciduous forest.
Plant
Habit : deciduous shrub
Height : about 5 feet

Length : - not a climber -
Leaves
Type : simple with crenate / serrate margin, alternately arranged -- leaves at end of branches
Shape : broad elliptic, pointing towards both ends, leaf usually tending to be half-way folded along its midrib, and the margin too tending to be wavy.
Size : about 10 - 12 cm x 5 - 6 cm
Inflorescence
Type : hemi-spherical cluster at nodes (both: old and new)
Size : about 1 cm dia
Flowers
Size : about 5 - 6 mm wide, 6 - 8 mm long
Colour : white with hint of green

Calyx : not sure
Bracts : - no bracts -
Fruits
Type : fleshy capsule, ellipsoid, later splits into 3
Shape :
ellipsoid
Size : about 2 - 3 cm
Seeds
: not sure
Casearia tomentosa Roxb., Fl. Ind. 2:421. 1824. Clarke in Hk. f. Fl. Br. Ind. 2: 593. 1879; Brandis, Ind. Trees 343. 1911 ; parker, Forst. Fl.
Vern. Chilla
Small trees, c. 8 m tall. Branches tomentose. Leaves 5-12 cm long, oblong to lanceolate, tomentose; margin slightly serrate; stipules linear, 1.5 mm long. Flowers in clusters. Sepals 4-5, 2-3 mm long, ovate to obovate, tomentose. Stamens 10-12, alternating with the staminodes. Style short; stigma capitate. Capsule ellipsoid, c.1cm long. seeds many, embedded in red pulp.
Fl. Per. March May.
Illustration: http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=53699&flora_id=5
this is Casaeria graveolens
the leaves are glabrous ie without any hairs and the fruits are
smaller than C. elliptica
can be found at SGNP, Mumbai
 
C. zeylonica has to be considered and ruled out
 
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Tamhini ghat near Pune, MH :: Tree for ID :: ARK2019-82 : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3)
This tree was seen in a forest next to a waterfall in the Tamhini ghat near Pune, MH in Aug 2019.
Requested to please ID.
Thanks, ... But I think difficult to id with vegetative images. 
I think Casearia graveolens
Thanks ... for the ID.


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ID requested of DSC8146: Photo taken in Asansol (W.B.) India. Date: 22/06/11. Height of the plant around 6 ft. with leaves on the end of the branch. Could not see anybody eating the seeds neither could see any seeds fallen nearby. Saw some birds mainly Red Vented Bulbul & Red Whiskered Bulbul frequenting. Requested to please give the ID.
I guess Casearia graveolens, family Flacourtiaceae. Seeds are used for killing fish.
Casearia graveolens as said by .., this is also used for fish poisoning by the tribals in Orissa

Casearia graveolens Dalzell ... also placed in Flacourtiaceae
at Nagla forest (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park) on 22 MAR 09 


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Identification no 210711sn1: Posting query again as I am not very sure. Earlier identified as Casearia ovata. Taken at Mulsi, Pune in May 11. Kindly validate. 
Casearia ovata for me.  Beautiful pictures of the fruits and leaves. 
Casearia ovata, I think.
According to The plant list (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/ tro-100346097) this is now a synonym of Guidonia ovata (Lam.) Baill of Salicaceae family.
Even genus Flacourtia is in Salicaceae now. No Flacourtiaceae is listed there!?
http://www.theplantlist.org/browse/A/ 


 
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Casearia ovata [C.esculenta] fruiting: Was at my farm at Shahpur over the weekend. Casearia ovata [syn. C.esculenta] locally called Kirmira / Kulkulta was fruiting. The fruit were relished by 4 Rufous Treepies which made frequent forays to the trees despite my presence, though they were very skittish.
Managed to take a few photographs. My previous photographs of this tree are also available in the archives of this group.
These are two different accepted species as per The Plant List:
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-100346091 (Guidonia esculenta (Roxb.) Baill.syn: Casearia esculenta Roxb.)
What is the correct accepted name of the posted plant Casearia ovata or C.esculenta ?
 


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Casearia ovata(Lamk.)Willd-sharing my pic:  Sharing pic of Kirmira, taken at amby valley rd. lonavala/ mulshi, pune in april12


 
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Casearia ovata---for sharing and validation: My pic of Kirmira taken at Ambyvalley rd. Lonavala/Mulshi, Pune in April12.


 
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Casearia ovata---for sharing and validation: Pic of Kirmira fruit taken at my farm at Amby valley Rd. Lonavala/Mulshi Pune May12
Affirmative. Please check the archives of this group for my photographs of this.
  

 
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Casearia ovata---for sharing and validation : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (1)
Pic taken at ambyvalley rd., lonavala, pune in may14


--Casearia esculenta.
Family : Flacourtiaceae
Common Name :  Kirmar
Location: Sagargad, Alibag
Date/Time: 27April,2010  9.00 am
Habit : Tree
Habitat : Moist Deciduous Forest

Leaf Shape : Elliptical or oval, Lanceolate
Stamen : 8
Flowering Month: May - June

Fruit Colour : Orange
Fruit Shape : Ellipsoid
Casearia ovata (syn. Caesaria esculenta) ... is commonly known as: casearia, esculent-leaved false kamela • Hindi: सप्तरंगी saptrangi • Konkani: satagan • Malayalam: ചാറുക്കുന്നം cherukkunnam, മലമ്പാവെട്ട malampaavetta, വെള്ളക്കുന്നം vellakkunnam • Marathi: किरमीरा kirmira, कुळकुळटा kulkulta • Sanskrit: सप्तचक्र saptachakra, स्वर्णमूलः svarnamulah • Tamil: காக்கைப்பலா kakkai-p-pala, குட்டி kutti • Telugu: కొండ గంగుడు konda gangudu
Casearia zeylanica (syn. C. esculenta) is different as per images and details herein.


What could be these fruits of ? 
Habitat: scrub forests on plains at about 2200 ft.
Location: Kamshet, near Pune
Date: 2 MAY 2008 
Search results for Casearia species have its leaves serrated or hint of serration; makes me think this plant may not be any Casearia at all.
ID please.
They are the fruit of Casearia esculenta locally called Kirmira or Kulkulta.
Sending you some of my photographs of the same.
Thank you very much ...
The photographs helped too.
NEW QUERY ... 
... attached here are 3 photos of a leaf-less small tree, about 15-20 ft (at Nagla block of Sanjay Gandhi National Park - 22 MAR 09), with fruits almost all over its slender branches.
These fruits seem so similar to those of the small 4 ft shrub posted earlier in this thread, leading me to believe this one to be again a species of Casearia.
... could be ¿ C. elliptica, C. esculenta OR any other ?.
... in the earlier part of this thread, … has provided local names for C. esculenta, in Marathi as Kirmira or Kulkulta
Calling Marathi knowing friends ... please validate these spellings:  
किरमीरा
कुळकुळटा 
Will also be glad to know about their dervaitions / meanings.
Marathi spellings appear to be fine.
.... doddahanise, hillange, hillehanise -- these are the kind of common names (found at ENVIS - FRLHT, Forest Flora of Andhra Pradesh) for C. esculenta, the esculent-leaved false kamela.
Please let know whether any or all of these make sense; or suggest the correct names.

Casearia zeylanica (syn. C. esculenta) is different as per images and details herein.


I couldn’t resist putting this photograph as I have been seeing it regularly in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Mumbai. Please identify although did … point it out to me earlier and I have forgotten what it is. I think the flowers are red when the buds open..? 

It is Casearia ovata [C.esculenta] locally called Kulkulta or Kirmira.
Casearia zeylanica (syn. C. esculenta) is different as per images and details herein.



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Casearia tomentosa Roxb. ... also placed in Flacourtiaceae
at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park) at various times (same plant)
Excellent once again.
This should be Casearia graveolens as per images and details herein.
 
 
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SS_11_June_2017_Request for ID : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)
Please find attached images of a small tree/shrub. This small tree was completely leafless during month of May. At the start of June, some flower buds were seen on the branches, And now it is with flowers and also with leaves (As seen on 11-June-2017).
Please help me ID this tree/shrub.
Date: 11-June-2017
Location: Kandivali West, Mumbai, Maharashtra

... species of Casearia

Thanks you so much Sir, for helping me ID the tree. With your help I found this tree to be: Casearia elliptica Willd.
This should be Casearia graveolens as per images and details herein.


 
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February 21, 2010 at 9.48am IST: Yeoor Hills, part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Mumbai;DV-21FEB10-0948 - efloraofindia | Google Groups


 
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Please help with the ID of this tree clicked at Karnala Bird Sanctuary, Navi Mumbai on 11th July. Apologies for not taking pics of the leaves and bark.
Casearia species!?
Casearia corymbosa  I the call from em !!
May be Casearia graveolens as per images and details herein.
Agree with ... It is a Casearia sp. Have plenty of Casearia esculenta [now C.ovata] trees on my property. The local names are Kirmira or Kulkulta. Sending a few photographs.
Casearia graveolens (syn. Casearia ovata (Lam.) Willd.) as per images and details herein.
Casearia zeylanica (Casearia esculenta Roxb.) is different as per images and details herein.

 
 
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Plant for ID SMP1 26/03/2011:  19 March 2011. Tamhini ghat Near Pune.
A small shrub 3-4 feet high.
Leafless.
Flowers: As seen in picture with axillary inflorescence.
Size of flower few mm.

This looks similar to the one being uploaded by me from Morni Hills, identified as Casearia elliptica from Flacourtiaceae. I hope this matches.
May be Casearia graveolens


 
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Casearia graveolens Dalz. was earlier placed in Samydaceae or Flacourtiaceae but now in Salicaceae.
It is a small tree or shrub frequent in lower hills of Uttarakhand reaching up to 1600m altitude.
The picture is from Jeolikot area near Naini Tal of Uttarakhand.
May I request you for the high resolution images, to check the stipules.
I think it may be Casearia zeylanica (Gaertn.) Thw. with triangular/ ovate minute stipules rather than Casearia graveolens with long lanceolate stipules.
May I request you for the high resolution images, to check the stipules.
I think it may be Casearia zeylanica (Gaertn.) Thw. with triangular/ ovate minute stipules rather than Casearia graveolens with long lanceolate stipules.

Till date, only two species of Casearia (C. graveolens and C. tomentosa) are known in Uttarakhand as per the Flora of Uttarakhand vol-1 (Pusalkar & Srivastava 2018). Following the key (Leaves glabrous.... C.graveolens; leaves hairy ......C. tomentosa) it is C. graveolens only. Moreover, C. zeylanica is not known in Western Himalaya. Flora of India gives distribution in Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Kerala only.
I tried with my available images but since stipules are caducous (falling soon from plants), I am not able to see the stipule character.
Thanks, ..., May I see the other images.
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Two more images available- 
Attachments (2) - 2 & 3 mb.

Thanks, … Is it not the long lanceolate stipule which I see in the 2nd image from which a new leaf will arise ?

Casearia graveolens in FOI : 2 posts by 1 author.
Image of … at Casearia graveolens in FOI should be of Casearia tomentosa as per images and details herein.
Pl. correct.
Corrected now.


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