Lysimachia debilis

Lysimachia debilis Wall.;

Georgia [Caucasus] (I), Japan (Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu), Ryukyu Isl., Australia (I) (New South Wales (I)), Taiwan, Java, China (Hainan, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Yunnan), Bhutan, South Korea, Sumatra, USA (I) (Arkansas (I), Louisiana (I), West Virginia (I)), Tibet, India, Myanmar [Burma], Nepal, Thailand, Pakistan (Dir, Hazara, Murree), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir) as per Catalogue of Life (Lysimachia japonica Thunb., Fl. Jap. 83 1784. (syn: Anagallis pilosa Buch.-Ham. ex D. Don; Lysimachia debilis Wall.; Lysimachia maculata R. Br.; Lysimachia uliginosa Bl.) as per Catalogue of Life); 

Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China for Lysimachia debilis Wall. vis-à-vis Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate of Lysimachia japonica Thunb.  


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SK1383 23 AUG 2018 : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (10)
Location: Suryabinayak, Nepal  
Date: 29 July 2018
Elevation: 4400 ft.
Habit : Wild 
This too : 

Lysimachia debilis Wall. ?


Are the sepals matching? 
Looks like matching. Any expert help?
May be as per Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica

I guess so ... According to the CoL  Lysimachia debilis Wallis the syn!
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I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China for Lysimachia debilis
However, this character may not be visible in smaller images or in posts lacking close up of the backside of the leaves. 

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SK1955 28 May 2019 : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (9)- around 600 kb each. 
Location: Suryabinayak, Bhaktapur
Date: 16 May 2019
Elevation: 1508 m.
Habit : Wild 
Lysimachia debilis Wall.  ??

Appears close as per 

Yes, … It appears Lysimachia sp.
Some links :
I am confused about the synonym. Only CoL says it has synonym but not others.

Lysimachia debilis Wall. as per Annotated checklist of Flowering plants of Nepal (1200-2900 m; Chitral, Himalaya (Kashmir to Sikkim), Khasia, Assam, Burma, ?Thailand)
Lysimachia debilis Wall. in Roxb., Fl. Ind. (Carey ed.). 2:25. 1824. = Lysimachia japonica ssp. japonica as per Flora of Pakistan (Kashmir to Yunnan, E. China, Formosa, Ryukyu Islands, Japan, Sumatra, Java and N.S. Wales (Port Jackson, introduced).
Lysimachia debilis Wallich in Roxburgh as per Flora of China [China:  S Xizang; India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand]
Lysimachia japonica Thunberg as per Flora of China [Bhutan, China, India (Darjeeling), Indonesia, Japan, Kashmir, Korea].
As per JSTOR
Lysimachia japonica Thunb. [family PRIMULACEAE] (stored under name); Verified by Eona Aitken,
Type of Lysimachia debilis Wall. [family PRIMULACEAE] (modified on 2009-05-29)  
Catalogue of Life is the most updated document in which they have considered position in all the three efloras (Pak, China and Nepal) as well as BSI Flora of India and they continue to change every day unlike the fixed data of 2012 in The Plant List.
POWO is based on their own kew database i.e. WCSP. Here The Plant List is based on Tropicos (a compilation of data based on Flora of China) and not on WCSP (as they do not have cured data with them for this). The Plant List use their own curated data of WCSP otherwise, where ever available.
If you understand the above relationships and go through the references in efi site, things may become more clearer to you for considering details in efi site.

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I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China for Lysimachia debilis
However, this character may not be visible in smaller images or in posts lacking close up of the backside of the leaves. 
This one is again likely L. debilis, as the red glands are visible on corolla and leaves.


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Lysimachia debilis from Himachal [Kullu dist.; 1400 m asl].
Very good photograph …
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I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China for Lysimachia debilis
However, this character may not be visible in smaller images or in posts lacking close up of the backside of the leaves. 


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SK1960 30 May 2019 : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)- around 750 kb each. 
Location: Chandragiri, Kathmandu, Nepal
Altitude: 1552 m.
Date: 27 May 2019
Habit : Wild
Which Lysimachia ??

Pl. check with species available at Lysimachia  

I think close to images at Lysimachia japonica Thunb. as per comparative images at Lysimachia

Thank you ...! Lysimachia deltoidea Wight

No. Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (i.e. Lysimachia japonica Thunb.) and not Lysimachia deltoidea (syn. Lysimachia japonica Thw.)

OK ...!

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I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China)
The corolla shows red glands and is likely to be of L. debilis. The size of the corolla and calyx lobes are other indicators which we can’t verify from these photos. The undersurface of leaves is surprisingly clear and doesn’t help.
I can not see them. Where are they ?
1 cropped image
Can not these be epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as in Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica ?
I am assuming that the red colour points to red punctate glandular. Translucent should let some light filter through.
So we take it as L. debilis ?

Yes

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Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (9)
There is already some discussion on the nomenclature of this species. We seem to have decided on Lysimachia japonica ssp. japonica following the Flora of Pakistan and ... had pointed out earlier that the Plantlist and Plants of the World Online treat L. debilis as an accepted name. Also, Flora of China treats L. debilis as a separate species from L. japonica. I have followed the pdf here to look at the characteristic features of both these species. I am listing some differences for easy reference:
No. 60 in the pdf, L. japonica: leaves transparent glandular punctate, calyx 3-4mm enlarging to 7-8mm in fruit, corolla 5-8mm in diameter, style 2-3mm, flowering in March-April
No. 89 in the pdf, L. debilis: leaves (and corolla) reddish glandular punctate, calyx 7mm enlarging to 1cm in fruit and reddish glandular punctate, corolla 6x2=12mm in diameter, tube 2mm, style 4mm, flowering in June
Following these characters, our plants here and those posted by ... are almost certainly Lysimachia debilis. Flower size, red glands and flowering time are strong indicators. I am attaching some photos showing these and some other properties clearly.
The question, which resource to follow, however, remains. I am not sure which authority supersedes the other. I am inclined to follow L. debilis in the meantime. 
All plants are photographed in June between 1750-2000m above Mcleodganj in Dharamshala, HP.

Thank you ... for detailed clarification. Could you please look into my other posts on Lysimachia?

I will be happy to help if I can. I am familiar with only five species found here: L. debilis, L. pyramidalis, L. chenopodioides, L. lobelioides, and L. prolifera and can look at your plants concerning these species. Could you please forward them again to me at this address?
Attaching the link to study all Lysimachia species here again for reference.

Thanks, ..., for the detailed post.
I shall be reviewing all our posts related to these two species, in view of differences pointed out by you. 


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Lysimachia debilis Wall. ?? : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (9)
Location: Jitpur Phedi, Nepal / Kakani, Nepal
Altitude : 5000 ft./6000 ft.
Date: 19 June 2018
Habit : Wild  

Catalogue of Life gives Lysimachia debilis Wall. as a syn. of Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica with distributions as Georgia [Caucasus] (I), Japan (Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu), Ryukyu Isl., Australia (I) (New South Wales (I)), Taiwan, Java, China (Hainan, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Yunnan), Bhutan, South Korea, Sumatra, USA (I) (Arkansas (I), Louisiana (I), West Virginia (I)), Tibet, India, Myanmar [Burma], Nepal, Thailand, Pakistan (Dir, Hazara, Murree), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir)
This is also as per Flora of Pakistan.
To me appears close to images of Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica at

Thank you ...!
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I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
Should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China) ?
Or can we consider it as a Plant with red to black glandular striate as in adaxial surface of the leaf ?
I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China in last two images as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019
From Flora of Bhutan:
8. L. japoniea Thunberg; L. debilis Wall.
Stems decumbent or prostrate, up to 35cm, puberulous, often rooting at 
nodes. Leaves opposite, ovate, 1-3.5 x 0.5-2.2cm, acute, with thin intramargi- nal vein and scattered glandular dots, thinly or densely puberulous on bothsurfaces, base rounded to narrowly winged petiole, 3-10mm. Flowers terminal and in axillary pairs; pedicels 2-8mm, strongly deflexed in fruit. Calyx 4-10mm, densely ciliate; teeth linear-lanceolate. Corolla yellow, 6—12mm long, usuallygland-dotted; lobes ovate, acute. Stamens included. Capsule 4—5mm diameter,5-valved. '
Bhutan: S - Chukka district (Chukka); Darjeeling: Lebong and Mongpu.Shady banks and damp ground in forest, 1970-2l30m. June-August.
L. japoniea is treated here in a broad sense including L. debilis. The two havesometimes been treated as separate taxa (69).
From Flora of China:
89. Lysimachia debilis Wallich in Roxburgh, Fl. Ind. 2: 25. 1824. 
南亚过路黄 nan ya guo lu huang 
Herbs perennial, 15--30 cm tall. Stems ascending, usually branched from base, with multicellular hairs. Leaves opposite; petiole 4--8 mm, narrowly winged; leaf blade ovate, 1.5--2.8 X 1--1.6 cm, strigillose, minutely reddish glandular punctate, base cuneate to subrounded, apex acute. Pedicel 2--4 mm, densely pubescent. Flowers solitary, axillary. Calyx lobes lanceolate, ca. 7 mm, enlarging to 1 cm in fruit, densely pubescent and reddish glandular punctate, apex acuminate-subulate. Corolla yellow; tube ca. 2 mm; lobes ovate-oblong, ca. 6 X 2.5--3 mm, sparsely red glandular, apex acute. Filaments connate basally into a ca. 1 mm tube, free parts 2.5--3.5 mm; anthers ovate, dorsifixed, opening by lateral slits, ca. 1 mm. Ovary pubescent; style ca. 4 mm. Capsule subglobose, ca. 4 mm in diam. Fl. Jun. 2n = 84.
Grassy mountain slopes; ca. 1700 m. S Xizang [India, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand]
From Flora of Kathmanu Valley ?
-Lysimachia debilis Wall. in Roxb., Fl. Ind. ed. Care)’- 2;25(l824)—Hara in Fl. E. Hima
245(1966) - Bull. Dept. Med. Pl. Nep. z;1o(1969)- _ S M 19(2),
L- laponica Thunb., Fl. Brit. Ind. 3:505(l882) —B3»l1¢I'_|l, lll Re¢- B°l- “N 62(l965).
A prostrate hairy herb, branches terete and weak. Leaves 1.5-3.5 cm long and 0.8- 2cm broad, opposite, short stalked, ovate, entire, acute, hairy, gland-dotted, petioles 0.5-1 cm, hairy. Flowers 1.5 cm in diameter, solitary or 2-nate, axillary on short stalks. Peduncles hairy, 0.5cmlong, shorter than the leaf-stalks. Calyx persistent, 5-lobed; lobes 0.7 cm long, linear-lanceolate, acuminate, hairy, longer than the corolla. Corolla rotate, tube short; lobes 5, yellow, oblong, obtuse, gland-dotted. Stamens 5, inserted at the base of the corolla; filaments long but shorther than the corolla, glabrous. Stigma simple. Capsule small, globose, much shorter than the calyx.
Distribution: Himalaya (Punjab to Sikkim), Khasia; in Nepal - central. Ecology: Occurs on moist place.
Uses:
Local name:
Flowering: May —July.
Fruiting:
Place of collection: Phulchoki, 1981 m; Nagarjun, 1524 m.
 

Another flower in bloom right now..
Location Kalatope, Chamba
Altitude 2100 mts
Habit Herb
Habitat wild
Plant height 12 inches

this is probably a Lysimachia species.  Lysimachia is classified in Primulaceae in the new APG3 system.
I hope Lysimachia japonica
Lysimachia japonica from Primulaceae
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I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China
On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate for Lysimachia debilis as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019 
 
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Lysimachia japonica C.P. Thunberg ex A. Murray ??? : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)
Location: Soureni, Mirik, India
Date: 18 May 2017
Altitude: 4400 ft. 

I think your ID is correct.
I am reviewing all related posts in view of ... post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China) 
On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019


 
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SK669 24 JUL-2017:ID : 14 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (3)
Location: Shivapuri National Park, Nepal
Altitude: 7500 ft.
Date: 22 July 2017
Lysimachia ?? Did not fine any match.

Yes. Pl. check comparative images in efi site. 
Please check Lysimachia congestiflora 

Lysimachia species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available on net) 

Lysimachia japonica?



Though the opinions have been given by more knowledgeable persons I am still a bit skeptical about its ID though I may be wrong.
1. Filaments connate not like L. japonica.
2. Altitude not matching with L. japonica.
3. L. japonica not listed in Nepal.
As such I guess it is more matching to L. congestiflora as suggested earlier by ... or some other sp. 
Apologies for a late response. A few online guides give the filaments as connate or adnate for L. japonica. Also, I have photographed this plant till 6500ft and may have seen it beyond that as well here in Dharamshala, Himachal Pradesh. Of course I may have been misidentifying the plant here too and hope your quest sheds more light on the matter.
L. deltoidea and L. japonica same? Different webs says differently.
Catalogue of life & The Plant List Ver 1.1 based on Tropicos, say they are different.
Shall we take it as L. japonica ??
I think that was the earlier conclusion. 
I am reviewing all related posts in view of ... post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China
On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate for Lysimachia debilis as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019


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Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae & Myrsinaceae Fortnight 1-14June2014: Lysimachia debilis from Uttarakhand_DSR_14 : 2 posts by 2 authors.
Lysimachia debilis Wallich (Syn. L. japonica sensu Hook.f. p.p.) Primulaceae from Uttarakhand.
Shot in Naini Tal.
Thanks ..., I got this in Sikkim...
I am reviewing all related posts in view of ... post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China
On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019

 
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ID is needed : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1).
This is a herbaceous plant of temperate forest (2300m 2800m amsl). The plant is collected from the temperate forest of district Chamoli, Uttarakhand in August 2014.
Please check for Lysimachia debilis (Primulaceae).
Lysimachis in eFI:
I am reviewing all related posts in view of ... post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China
May I request you to pl. post the original image to properly check Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate of Lysimachia debilis as per keys in Flora of China in last two images as pointed out by Ashwini ji in SK1960 30 May 2019

Herbaceous plant for id from temperate forest, district Chamoli, Uttarakhand : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1).
Pic was captured in July 2014
Identifies in earlier post.
Lysimachia debilis (Primulaceae).
I am reviewing all related posts in view of ... post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China
May I request you to pl. post the original image to properly check Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate of Lysimachia debilis as per keys in Flora of China in last two images as pointed out by Ashwini ji in SK1960 30 May 2019


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Fwd: Lysimachia? Arunachal Pradesh. 26.5.17 : 4 posts by 1 author. Attachments (3)- around 500 kb each. 
Lysimachia species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available on net)

I think close to images at Lysimachia debilis
Lysimachia congestiflora Hemsl.  ??  

I think plant posted by ... is wild and looks different from images at Lysimachia congestiflora 
I am reviewing all related posts in view of Ashwini ji's post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China
On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019


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Yellow Loosestrife ABJUN01/05 : 2 posts by 2 authors. 1 Image.
Is this Lysimachia japonica? Please advise.
Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
1750m
13 June 2015
Lysimachia debilis to me.
May I request you to pl. attach a suitable image to show the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
I did so in my post referred to by you. But for convenience here is one labeled.
Image posted in your thread was this one:
Pl. check.
True, but I meant my post Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01 that you referred to. There are a few images showing the red glands on corolla, leaves and calyx.
Here I have resurfaced your old thread to see it in light of your earlier post.
May I request you to pl. review your earlier post and let us know.
Thank you ... I am traveling at the moment and will be back on the 24th and can look at my earlier submissions again. But I am almost certain that all my earlier posts refer to L. debilis only as I am yet to find a different yellow Lysimachia in my area.
On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate for Lysimachia debilis as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019


 
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Lysimachia japonica ABJUN01/02 : 6 posts by 3 authors. 3 images.
The yellow flowers of this loosestrife are flowering now discreetly covering the slopes. I photographed a couple of plants this week. Please advise if my identification is correct.
Lysimachia japonica—Japanese Loosestrife
Near Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
1750m
22 and 24 June 2016.
I think appears to match with images at Lysimachia japonica
I filed photos of flowering plants in June. Last week (5.10.16) I found some plants in flower again and I didn’t know that these flower till this late in the autumn. I am filing detailed photos of the plants to check if I am making any mistake. The leaves are opposite, so it is likely to be L. japonica only but I am not familiar with other Lysimachia species with yellow flowers from this area. Please advise. 6 images.
What do you say about it w.r.t. your post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01 ?
On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019


 
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This small herb was recorded from Pelling in Sikkim recently.. (9.6.14)
Please corret the identity, if required, I think this can be ...
Lysimachia japonica....
Yes Sir, I think that your identification is correct. However, am unable to confirm the other set of photos of Lysimanchia also from Sikkim.
I am amazed to see so many Lysimachias....
I am reviewing all related posts in view of ... post at Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China
Should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China) ?
Or we are not able to see the character due to small images.
May I request … to post the original image, for further examination.

On further checking, I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China as pointed out by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019


Lysimachia japonica in FOI : 8 posts by 2 authors.
Lysimachia japonica in FOI should be Lysimachia debilis Wall. as per details and discussions herein.
Pl. correct.

Thanks ..., However, Plants of the World Online which treats Lysimachia debilis as a separate species, mentions the distribution as Western Himalaya, whereas our plant was found in Sikkim. However I do find our plant indistinguishable from ... images of Lysimachia from Chamba.

There has been lot of confusion between these species with Lysimachia debilis Wall. being treated as syn. of Lysimachia japonica Thunb. in Catalogue of Life, Flora of Bhutan and Flora of Pakistan.
In view of the confusion, we have to decide on our species based on
Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of China for Lysimachia debilis Wall. vis-à-vis Plants epunctate or translucent glandular punctate of Lysimachia japonica Thunb. (as again clarified in detail by Ashwini ji in SK1960 30 May 2019)
I can feel the red glands in your image in FOI.
If you post the original image, it will be further confirmed.

I attach two original images from Gangtok.
Attachments (2) - 2 Mb each.

One more image from Gangtok
Attachments (1)- 2 mb. 

Thanks, ...
Yes, I do see red glands as per keys in Flora of China for Lysimachia debilis Wall. (as again clarified in detail by ... in SK1960 30 May 2019)

Thanks ... for all the effort. The species is modified now:


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SK 2124 17 August 2019 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (10) - around 600 kb each.
Location: Suryabinayak, Bhaktapur
Date: 26 July 2019
Elevation: 1508 m.
Habit : Wild 
This again Lysimachia debilis Wall.??
One more Lysimachia.

Following the earlier discussions, yes, it shows the features. If we prefer to follow GBIF, it treats L. debilis as a synonym of L. japonica ssp japonica.


Lysimachia debilis Wall. : 5 posts by 1 author. 5 images- 5 to 7 mb each.
Location: Chalnakhel, Pharping
Date: 28 June 2020
Elevation: 1500 m.
Habitat: Wild



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