Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida

Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida Blatt. & McCann (Syn: Habenaria foliosa var. foetida (Blatt. & McCann) Bennet); 
 

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TSP31082015-1: A terrestrial orchid for ID assistance : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)
Submitting images of a terrestrial Orchid for identification
Date/time: 28-8-2015/6.00 pm
Location: Mullaianagiri, Chikmagalur, Karnataka about 1700 msl
Habitat: Wild, terrestrial, on humus rich shola forest floor.
Habit: Herb.
Habenaria digitata
Kindly have a re-look into the ID of this orchid with reference to my another upload TSP-OCT2016-16-453 where in the plant is identified as Habenaria gibsonii. Both the plants appear strikingly similar and were found in the same locality...!  

No this is also not digitata.
This is Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida.
The lateral petal is bifurcated and the upper segment is longer than lower hence foetida. It will also have bad smell if you tried!!
 

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Orchidaceae: Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida Blatt. & McCann : Attachments (5). 4 posts by 2 authors.
Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida Blatt. & McCann, J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 36: 16 (1932).
Synonym:
Habenaria foliosa var. foetida (Blatt. & McCann) Bennet, J. Econ. Taxon. Bot. 5: 452 (1984); Almeida, Orchidaceae in Flora of Maharastra 5: 56 - 57 (2009).
Family: Orchidaceae
Location: Jharkhand
Distribution: India
Note: This has one of the worst smell you can ever come across in such a beautiful flower.
Taxonomically this taxa is very controversial but we have a very good explaination in Orchids of Orissa by S. Misra and I prefer to stick with that.

Gibsonii is to commemorate the name in honor of Alexander Gibson (1800–1867) was a Scottish surgeon and botanist who worked in India. Foetida is for bad smell of the flower.
The other variety, H. gibsonii var. gibsonii is supposed to have good smell.

What was the explaination by S. Mishra as mentioned by u?
Dr. Misra has based the differentiation on the basis of the size of the lobes of petals.
Upper segment of petal much longer than the lower, midsegment of lip equal or slightly longer than the lateral segments
- H. gibsonii var gibsonii
Upper segment of petal slightly longer than the lower, midsegment of lip much longer than the lateral segments
- H. gibsonii var. foetida.

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 ORCHIDACEAE Juss. Fortnight: Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida Blatt. & McCann from Jharkhand, PKS-35 :  
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Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida Blatt. & McCann, J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 36: 16 (1932).
Distribution: Current pic taken in Jharkhand, known to be distributed in Orissa too.
Unfortunately without understanding the species Kew treats this as synonym of Habenaria foliosa which is not true.

By mistake You put furcifera here and on the image of furcifera you put gibsonii var. foetida....................
If I im Correct...........
Thanks for wonderful information..........
oH i AM SO SORRY...
Yes i posted wrong pic. This is Habenaria furcifera.
I am attaching plate of Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida now.
Gorgeous Plate
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 Orchidaceae fortnight :: Habenaria gibsonii :: Kolhapur :: AK 02 : Attachments (8). 7 posts by 6 authors.
Here I'm sharing Habenaria gibsonii var.foetida  Blatt. & McCann.
from Kolhapur, MH.
July 2013
... need your confirmation here, one more time !! :) :)
Very beautiful orchid.. more beautiful capture and presentation...
Yes if it smells very bad... then it is Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida.
ya it is Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida.
..., what if a plant of this sp. smells fragrant during night and foetid during day? I have seen one.
 
Attachments (1)-Richardiana-vol14-25-Habenaria foliosa.pdf.
I am very glad to inform you that Pollination in Habenaria foliosa var. foetida(Orchidaceae) paper is published in Richardiana, 2014; 15: 219-228.
Paper is attached herewith
Wonderful work & congrats, ...
Truely remarkable and I am very happy that now researchers are thinking about pollination biology of plants in India which is one of the most important subject in the field of ecology and conservation.
BUT.....
I would suggest to check few things:
1. I DONT THINK THIS PLANT IS HABENARIA FOLIOSA, RATHER THIS IS HABENARIA GIBSONI VAR FOETIDA. H. GIBSONI AND H. FOLIOSA ARE TWO DISTINCT PLANTS.
2. STUDY MORE BUT IN THE WILD AS IN CAPTIVITY ITS NOT A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
3. YOU MUST KNOW THE FLORAL MORPHOLOGY OF HABENARIA AND PRESENT IT IN THE ARTICLE SO AS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE EXACTLY STIGMA IS LOCATED. I WOULD SAY LOWER INNER PART OF STIGMA WOULD NOT BE A GOOD PLACE FOR THE POLLENS TO GET STICK TO. HABENARIA HAVE LONG STIGMATIC LOBES AND THE MOST FRONTAL PART OF MOST STICKY.
4. ITS VERY INTERESTING THAT BOTH MOTH AND BUTTERFLY VISIT THE FLOWER WHICH NEEDS MORE DETAILED STUDY INCLUDING MALE POLLINATION SUCCESS, FEMALE POLLINATION SUCCESS, FRUITING SUCCESS ETC. WRITE A NEW MANUSCRIPT BASED ON ALL THESE AND I AM SURE IT WILL GO INTO VERY HIGH PROFILE JOURNAL.
5. IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO GC-MS THEN TRY TO ANALYSE THE FRAGRANCE AND THEN ASK SOME ENTOMOLOGIST TO CHECK THE INSECT AS WHAT THEY GET ATTRACTED TO.
Trust me, putting all these together can get your article into journals like The New Phytologist.
Please feel free to ask if you need any help. I can design your method if you wish to follow and I dont need any authorship for that. I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND you to spend one more year and publish a better article.
I feel yr reply to ... needs to be read and seen by more wide audience out of eflora.
I will love to put it on facebook just for people there to know that what kind of work is going on eflora.
This work is actually not mine but ... I would really be happy if his work gets more audience and more such works can be undertaken by researchers in India.
His work misses some important aspects which he and others can incorporate in their work to make their research more laudable.
I am always ready to help anyone who is working on orchids. For other groups I have less idea !
 
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TSP-OCT2016-16-453: Images of Habenaria digitata (Orchidaceae) : 10 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)

Presenting few images of Habenaria digitata (Orchidaceae 

Habit:Herb 

Habitat:Wild,terrestrial,evergreen forest fringe. 

Sighting:Near Chikmagalur,about 1700 msl 

Date:06-08-2016,19-08-2016 and 26-08-2016


No sir, this is not digitata. Did you smell the flower?
No ... I did not sniff it... and it didnt occurr to me at that point of time.... Wondering what this could be.... It was the only plant in the vicinity where it was found... Please examine and place it.
It is Habenaria gibsonii.
If smell was good then Habenaria gibsonii var. gibsonii; if the smell was bad then Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida.
Thanks ... One thing I am sure, it was not offensive when I went near the plant close enough to take some macros. There was nothing in the air. Any foul smell would have been registered in my mind involuntarily...!
Yes this is again Habenaria gibsoni var. foetida as the upper segment of the two lobed lateral petal is longer than the lower segment.
And ofcourse as the name foetida suggests, it will have a foetid smell.
On the link is the true Habenaria digitata  
 
 
 

References:

Biodiversity in India, Volume 2 edited by T. Pullaiah (Description- Habenaria gibsonii var. foetida Blatt. & McCann (Syn: Habenaria foliosa var. foetida (Blatt. & McCann) Bennet))

The Plant List (Syn. of Habenaria foliosa A.Rich.)  IOSPE photos  India Biodiversity Portal 

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