Jasminum sambac


Jasminum sambac 'Motia' (Images by Anand Kumar Bhatt (Inserted by J.M.Garg) (For more images & complete details, click on the links)

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Jasminum sambac 'Japanese Rai' or 'Mogra' (Images by Ajinkya Gadave (Id by Tanay Bose, Validation by Kenneth Gerby & Anand Kumar Bhatt) & K. Puttaraju (Inserted by J.M.Garg) (For more images & complete details, click on the links)

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Jasminum sambac 'Belle of India' or 'Madan Mogra' (Images by Balkar Singh (Inserted by J.M.Garg) (For more images & complete details, click on the links))

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Motiya, But Mogra, Bela, Motiya, Mallikā, Mallepuvvu, Mallikaipu, Mallige, Kaliyan, Arabian Jasmine, Asian Jasmine, Asiatic Jasmine, Sacred Jasmine, Sambac Jasmine • Hindi: Madan mogra मदन मोगरा • Tamil: குஂதூ மல்லீ Gundu Malli, • Telugu: Malli • Tamil: கொடி மல்லி Kodi mulli • Manipuri: Jati জাতী পুশ্প pushpa; 


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Jasminum sambac 'Mogra';
 


Please help me for identification of this large size jasmine. I found this jasmine one of the nursery at Gujarat nurserymen also don't know proper name of this jasmine
Perhaps the big mogras locally called something like madanbal?
I hope this is Jasminum sambac " Japanese Rai"
Agreed.
I think Jasminum sambac 'Grand Duke of Tuscany'
We call here as button mogra.
as somebody had written Button Mogra in Marathi 
I will go with ... I have a plant purchased from a local nursery. Bose and choudhury's book also mentions it. I have its photographs in my blog:
http://anandkbhatt.blogspot.com/2009/06/jasmine-in-india.html
I suport ... identity.
are the two names synonymous, or worse is it the chakkar of old name vs. new name?
Rather strange situation. Both are cultivar names, and for their recognition they have to be registered with a particular group for that taxon, so that same cultivar can't get more than one name.


June 2013
Requesting identification of this Jasminum species at a housing society garden at Pune.
Flower had mild fragrance
Jasminum sambac


 
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Id request : (mixed thread): 3 correct images as above. Attachments (3).  
Please id this plant. picture teken at 29june 2013. my work place, gurgaon haryana.
Jasminum sambac


ID Pls - Bel Phool (Arabian Jasmine) or some other plant ?? - Jhargram - Midnapur - West Bngal , 02-11-2013
Yes, it looks like Jasminum sambac to me too. Look for domatia (tuft of minute whitish hairs/glands) in nerve-axils on the lower-surface of leaves. http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af265/ramkumarj2000/DSC00017-Copy.jpg


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Jasmines are very confusing.
Requesting to please ID this jasmine (mogra in marathi) captured in MNP, Mumbai in April 2014.
It is Jasminum sambac
... is right. mohras r j.sambac usually in bush form. flowers from single row of petals to multi whorls. mysore jasmine buds worn by ladies & girls in hair for decoration.


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Hooghly : seems to be Jasminum sambac (L.) Aiton : Attachments (6). 1 post by 1 author.
I bought this sapling about two months ago. Flowers look similar to Jasminum multiflorum (Burm.f.) Andrews. Yet I think it is Jasminum sambac (L.) Aiton, for calyx not pilose and bracts are subulate/linear.


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Hooghly : Jasminum sambac (L.) Aiton : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (5).
These photographs were taken in 2012, in my home, and the plant is still there. It doesn't produce fruit.
Nice pics ... Fruits or no fruits, the flowers and fragrance is priceless..
 
 
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Arabian Jasmine: Jasminum sambac : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (2)
WHITE BEAUTY!! DUNDU MALLIGE; Arabian Jasmine: Jaasminum sambacOleaceae
Women in India wear this flower in their hair. The leaves extracts act against breast tumors. It is considered to be an apt and biological cure for jaundice and other venereal diseases. It is also considered to be great skin toner and conditioner. Its oil is very effective in calming and relaxing.
Captured this beauty in the garden of Smt. Mahalaxmi Krishna Jaywant
Date/Time-: 05/07/15 -  09:30,
Location- Place, Altitude - Kaiga , Uttar Kannada, Karnataka, 380 mtrs
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-   Garden
Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Herb -
Length- 5ft


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Jasminum sambac (L.) Aiton : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6) - around 600 kb each.
Nepali Names : बेली फूल Bhelee Phool/ मल्लिका Mallikaa

Dattaji Salvi Udyan  Thane
Date: May 10, 2018 ... Altitude: about 11 m (36 feet) asl
Jasminum ¿ species ?    

Looks like as if Mogra. Just a guess.

Yes ..., thanks very much. It reminded me too of mogra. Would it then be Jasminum sambac ?  

I also think it should be Jasminum sambac


 
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Hooghly Today : might be Jasminum pubescens Willd. :  Attachments (9).  3 posts by 2 authors.
This sweetly scented wild climber found in village scrub. Though the inflorescence is not many flowered, yet it may be the Jasminum pubescens Willd.
Yes it is
I think more closer to images at Jasminum sambac (L.) Sol.


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Jasminum Id from Bangladesh SM1000 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Flowering: April
nature: shrub or climber 
Location: Khstia, 2016
It looks like Jasminum sambak.
Is it wild or cultivated ? pl. always mention this in your future posts.
Its wild. I think it is not J. sambac

Jasminum species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available on net)


Closest I can go as per comparative images at Jasminum is Jasminum sambac (L.) Sol. only.



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Here is the third Jasmine in the series. This is by all accounts, and most probably, jasminum sambac. There are lots of confusing photos on the net, but the reliable ones seem to indicate its sambac. Its also known as Arabic jasmine. Can anyone please confirm or otherwise?
Its a small shrub abt 1-2 feet in height, with light green young leaves which become darker as they age. Some sources on the net say its a hardy vine, but I have never seen 'mogra' as a vine. 
This mostly comes in two varieties - single row of petals and double row of petals. The single one is called 'raibel' and the double is called 'mogra' in hindi. Its called malli or gund-malli(literally translated - fat jasmine, as the buds are small and rounded) in Tamil. The photos show 'mogra'. I do not have the photo of the single variety shrub. If anyone can post that, it would be great.
As as interesting aside, I am also posting the photo of something known as 'phool bangla', which is made with flowers in almost all the temples of Vrindaban during the summers. The photo shows the process of how it is made. Multiple frames like the one shown in photo are made, and tied together to create a house like structure. Like other temple towns, Vrindaban too is a major center of flower business. The bangla is most of the times made from 'raibel' - the single variety of sambac.
Quoting from zipcodezoo's page on the plant:
http://zzforkids.com/Plants/J/Jasminum_sambac/
"Shrub from India, with sweet-scented white flowers in single (pikake lahilahi), or double forms (pikake pupupu)."
I have no clue what those bracketed words mean - anyone knows which language it is?

Just try to match the description as per the details from Wikipedia link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasminum_sambac
Thank you ... Yes, I guess I can be fairly certain that 'mogra' is indeed jasminum sambac. And today I happened to see a shrub which must have been 2 metres or so. I was not sure about the height as I have seen the cultivated ones which are generally smaller, and then remembered they are pruned regularly.
... I find it much easier to remeber the jasmines by their Hindi
names: Chameli (creeper, with relatively large single flowers. Highly fragrant.
Juhi (small shrub or creeper with smallish flowers(fragrant).
Mogra (shrub, with highly scented flowerers). This needs pruning in winter. Otherwise flowering would be poor. This is probably also known as Bela.
The last in the series is Sonjuhi (bush, can be trained as a creeper, no fragrance). I am not aware of any other jasmine. You have also mentioned 3 varieties. I stand corrected.

Yes, its true. The local names are a lot easier to remember. But did you know, there are about 690 species of the genus jasminum? I didnt:)
I myself have seen about 10 odd of them. I am trying to identify the scientific names of all of them, just for time pass, no specific reason. Hence the stress on getting the correct botanical name. I had posted another thread for what is also known as 'chameli' but is not jasminum gradiflorum. I got one suggestion from ... i on it, but that doesnt seem to be correct. Can someone please take a look?

efi thread
With respect to son juhi, is it yellow coloured?


Yes, sonjuhi is yellow coloured.
You are right Hindi names are easier to remember.
I have a question here. As you said about Bela a small bush. In my Garden we have Bela all over but it is a creeper At one place it climbed on Palash tree so it is more than 20ft tall creeper now.
Is this also the same variety of Bela or different. May I request all
experts on the group to solve this puzzle please.
...! You are right. Bela is a bush. and it has to be pruned every winter so that it flowers during summer months. When I came here I bought about 2 dozen bela plants. One of them is developing into a creeper, and I have left it as it is. If you see TK Bose's book, in the creeper section he has mentioned a number of varieties which could be a creeper or a bush. The same is true for woody creepers like bougainvillea. Its basic nature is of creeper, but it can very easily be trained as a bush. In another place, I trained Son Juhi as a creeper but a few years later I went to that house and found that it has now been converted into a bush. I did not see it  flowering. so I cannot say whether creeper flowers better or shrub. Bose has made a distinction between mogra and motia. I dont think that Jasminum sambac 'Japanese rai' which is mogra can be creeper. It is probably Jasminum sambac 'Motia' which turns into creeper sometimes. It is all a guess work, as for Japanese Rai Bose has not mentioned Mogra. He has said that Japanese Rai is more compact, as compared to Motia where he has said that flowers are smaller and double. Bose's book is very exhaustive, but he has failed to give Hindi or Bangla  equivalent bydesign. Hindi names are there by chance only.
I certainly don't mind being corrected in my guesswork.
...! YOU ARE A BAD INFLUENCE. YOU HAVE GOT ME ADDICTED TO JASMINE.
i AM TRYING TO GO THE OTHER WAY ABOUT. THAT IS, TRYING TO FIND OUT OR GUESS THE HINDI NAME FOR ALL THE VARIETIES OF JASMINE MENTIONED IN BOSE'S BOOK. Sorry for the mixup between upper and lower cases.
Shrubs;
1.Jasminum humile.......Sonjuhi
2. J. pubescens.....Kund
3. J. pubescens 'rubscens........Kund
4. J. sambac 'Japanese Rai'......Mogra
5. j. sambac 'Motia'...........Motia
Climbers
6.J. augustifolum......?
7. J. auriculatum..........Juhi
8. J. flexile.....Nityamalli?
9. J. grandiflorum (Spanish Jasmine)......Chameli
10. J. nitidum.......?
11. J. officinale...........(Malti?)
12. J. sessiliflorum.......?
Any correction or addition to the list welcome.

to add further I am not sure of the distinction between mogra and
motia. Also whether bela is synonymous with mogra or motia or it is encompassing more varieties?
Yes, I guess this is a good way to go about it. Thanks for all the research. I am bad at replying, hope to become faster in the near future.
Here are my two cents:
Shrubs;
1. Jasminum humile.......Sonjuhi - (MG- I have seen this as a creeper as well. Photo due when it flowers. Non-smelling as far as I have seen it)
2. J. pubescens.....Kund (MG - Smells very faintly)
3. J. pubescens 'rubscens'........Kund
4. J. sambac 'Japanese Rai'......Mogra (MG-Smells intensely. This is the flower most commonly worn by women down south)
5. j. sambac 'Motia'...........Motia (MG -the difference is mogra is double petalled while motia is single. In vrindaban, motia is also known as raibel. I would confirm it this time. Also I guess bela is not from the jasmine family, I will put a new post on it.)
Climbers
6.J. augustifolum......?
7. J. auriculatum..........Juhi ( MG - I am mostly certain)
8. J. flexile.....Nityamalli? (MG - Not sure. I am yet to come across a definite reference. There is a separate thread on it and Garg Ji has done a lot of research)
9. J. grandiflorum (Spanish Jasmine)......Chameli
10. J. nitidum.......?
11. J. officinale...........(Malti?) (MG - This is not malti. I was surprised to know that Malti was from Apocynacae - the oleander family. I somehow always instinctively grouped it in the jasmine family. But the sap which comes when you break a flower or the bud is distinctive of the oleander family. Malti is - Here is the link on Malti.
efi thread
12. J. sessiliflorum.......?
..., any more additions/corrections? My fascination with jasmine mainly stems from its fragrance and its beauty as a vine/creeper. Somehow, jasmine though found all over the world always symbolises home for me. Though I didnt start thinking on these lines, but now I am very much interested in correctly knowing all the varieties of fragrant flowers I have seen in India. My husband too is quite amused with my activity:)
Many thanks for putting all the available hindi names at one place.
You mentioned "It is all a guess work, as for Japanese Rai Bose has not mentioned Mogra. He has said that Japanese Rai is more compact, as compared to Motia where he has said that flowers are smaller and double." Mogra Flowers in my garden are single. They are not as big and more petally as I have seen at other places.
So can that make a difference in species??
What I was thinking seriously was to find out a place where we can send some specimen for identification? I am sure ... may lead us in this.
If we have to send some organisation I am happy to pay.
..., it would be difficult to say anything without a few photographs. Attaach a few photographs of flowers, buds and leaves andif possible a total view of the plant.
Similarly, for identification purpposes of other varieties photographs will serve the purpose. Which better organisation you will find as compared to indiantreepix with ... to advise?
And the digital cameras have made photography and uploading so easy!
About J.sambac 'Motia'  Bose's photograph shows double flower, the text says medium sized and double. As Bose has used the word Motia it would be difficult to say anything otherwise without some more corroboration.
I think discussions on common names will not lead us anywhere. Also finding the exact scientific name for us will also be difficult as we have around 40 species of Jasmine found wild in India leave alone the numerous varieties for each species. Finding the exact scientific name will be really difficult in such a combination.
We should hopefully close this discussion now.
I agree with your opinion that its difficult to find all the species and their varieties, but I dont think we should stop the effort of trying to find it out. I at least want people who read these discussions later to know that we have not been able to confirm some of the names. It just might trigger further investigations and discoveries.
As I had written earlier, I am tired of information on the net which claims conclusively that its a particular species, and the information turning out to be wrong later. Its the biggest risk of the information which is found on the net. Discussions and questions are the corner stone of the internet information age, and I believe we should continue to debate as long as there is interest in the thread from people.
Do let me know if you still want this thread to be closed, and I will comply:)
The series you started is wonderful & keep it upl!! We are waiting more threads from you on different species.
Information on net is confusing because of so many similar species of Jasmine & their numerous varieties. May be one day we have a good authoritative book or website dedicated only on Jasmines & its varieties with good pictures to remove all these confusions (or is there already one on the subject- may from BSI). I hope the day is not far off.
However, it is upto the members to continue discussions as long as they find interest & it leads to some definite conclusions.
Some comments on Jasminum sambac
Jasminum sambac has many cultivars, which give them their various Indian names like Motiya, Madan Mogra, But Mogra, Bela etc. Cultivar
official names are like
Jasminum sambac 'Belle of India'
Jasminum sambac 'Grand Duke Of Tuscany'
Jasminum sambac 'Maid of Orleans'
and so on. Jasminum sambac can generally be easily identified by its leaves.


 
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Jasminum sambac 'motia'_ bud to flower : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)
One of the most common summer flowers. Widely used for making garlands for the deities. Fragrant. Blooms in the night and lasts a couple of days.
Must be pruned during the winter end for good results.
We call it "Mogra" in Gujarati and as you say make garlands for the "Thakorji" specially from the buds which blossoms next day spreading the fragrance everywhere.
I feel that the one I snapped at hoe is caled motia, whereas the more compact one is called mogra. Probably it is mogra buds which are more often used for making garlands. Mogra is widely used for ladies to tuck in their hair. also.
I am open to correction.
Well there are so many varieties in these-----i felt it is mogra but then you know better.
In Vaishnavas there are always "mogra' "juhi" and "Jai"-(climbers) along with "Gulab","Gulbas"and "vasant" flowers grown in their gardens
so that they can make fresh flower garlands everyday.
What i feel is that "motia' resembles mogra but does'nt have that strong fragrance.
There is another variety of mogra which is bigger and thickly and closely petaled called Butmogra
I am not a botanist nor am i a scientist. so do'nt know the latin names you all "phataphat"
come out with! Interest in nature-flowers, trees, birds makes me familiar with all these. So know more local names.
Various varieties of Jasmines are found in India, and matching their botanical names to prevalent Hindi names has always been a nightmare to me. Bose and Choudhury's book mentions the following Jasmines in the category of shrubs:
1. Jasminum humile. सोनजुही
2. Jasminum pubescens and J. pubescens 'Rubescens' कुंद
3. Jasminum sambac (Arabian jasmine). बेला
Various varieties are grown in In India:
a. Japapnese sambac 'Rai' and 'Japanese Rai' मोगरा. The two varieties differ in the size of the flower. Both have compact buds and flowers.
b. J. sambac 'motia' मोतिया
It is presumed that all these varieties are native to India.

In the category of climbers they have mentioned a  larger number
1. Jasminum augustifolium
*2. J. auriculatum जूही
3. J.flexile
4. J. grandiflorum (Spanish Jasmine): Grown in tropical and sub-tropical regions, preferably in mild climate, for perfumery industry.
5. J. nitidum
*6. Jasminum officinale (white jasmine) चमेली, यास्मीन. Native of Persia, China and North India. It is the national flower of Pakistan, as well as of Phlippines and Indonesia.
7. J. sessiliflorum
*8. J. trinerve
*9. J. undulatum

All the varieties with asterisk are native. J. sambac is also named as Arabic Jasmine, so it could have been initially brought from arabia, althogh it has been naturalised centuries ago. It may be noted that the concept and design of formal gardens have been brought to India by Mughals only.
There are reportedly 200 species of Jasmine which are native to tropical and warm climate of the oid world. However, several varieties have duplicate names and in truth there seems to about 90 original varieties,
Another flower which is often considered Jasmine is Echites caryophyllata मालती, a large woody climber which flowers profusely in the late summer and rains. It is a native of Florida, Mexico and West Indies.
For several varieties I have not mentioned the Hindi equivalent. I don't know them. I would request the members for any help in this matter. Also any suggestions for improvement and correction are welcome.


 
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Flora of Panipat- Jasminum sambac var. Belle of India: Jasminum sambac var. Belle of India
From PIET Campus Samalkha Panipat 

I have a creeper in my garden of similar looking flowers called Jasmine 
Jasmine/ Chandani -  non stop bloomer from april-November - Divine  fragrance especially in the evening Other names-Raj Chameli /Shining  Jasmine/Angel wing Jasmine/Windmill Jasmine/Royal Jasmin/STAR 

... I think yours are Jasminum nitidum
 
I think closer to images at Jasminum laurifolium var. laurifolium

  
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SK1638 12 Dec 2018 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)
Location Gyaneswor, Kathmandu, Nepal
Elevation :  4500 ft.
Date 16 April 2018
Habit : Cultivated 
Jasminum sambac (L.) Aiton ??

Yes. Appears so. 


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Jasminum spp. ??: I'd confirm pls : 9 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1)
Location : Anjar, Kutch Gujarat
Date : 6/4/2019
Habit : shrub
Habitat : Cultivated

what is called double mogro\ Jasminum sambac 
This looks like Butt Mogra, Jasminum sambac var. 'Grand Duke of Tuscany'.
Aarti good idea about the name. could be, the flower does look like a rose but most likely not, because most cultivation that i know of of any mogra is for the scent. the grand duke of tuscany var is not highly scented. so playing poker or odds. this is a double mogro. thats what think. now ... has to tell us if it is nicely scented or not.

very mild scented

Ok, thanks.  then its most likely the Grand duke of tuscany. ... was right. good show

Thanks. When I see a plant or a tree once, I generally remember. Was very eager to see Butt Mogra for many years. Then finally found it.
Also bought a sapling from Nature India Nursery to plant in my Nasik garden.
Very interesting! so lets have look at your flowers someday
Sure …
 
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Posting my pictures on the group specially for you. As requested.
I had missed adding that the above were seen by me in a nursery in Muscat.


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Puducherry  near sea coast
Date: October 16, 2019 ... Altitude range: about 0 - 3 m (0 - 10 feet) asl
¿ Jasminum multiflorum ?  
Dear friends,
This jasmine plant is in a herbal garden. The plant is among other plants, their leaves are all mixed up. I hope someone is able to recognize the species from the flower, and may be from leaf among the leaves. My guess is - cultivar of Jasminum multiflorum
I think Jasminum sambac (L.) Sol. as per Images by Surajit Koley  

Thanks ... I too had thought of sambac (because it has more reason to be in a herbal garden), but the petals of sambac are blunt / rounded than what we see in my post OR Surajit ji's. Perhaps it is a variation due to several cultivars. I will go with Jasminum sambac. Will correct my notes.
its the mogra with a different sort of petals. toptropicals and someone else on the internet had shown these kind of longer, skinnier petals


Bk0017_ornamental : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1) - 894 kb.
Details..
  • Date: Last week of July, 2019
  • Elevation: 1400 masl
  • Habit: Cultivated
  • Location: Bagmati Province, Central Nepal
Close to Jasmine...

It is Jasminum.
J. sambac or J. multiflorum or....
I think Jasminum sambac 'Belle of India' or 'Madan Mogra' as per images and details herein. 


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