Knema attenuata

Knema attenuata (Hook.f. & Th.) Warb. (Syn: Myristica amygdalina J. Grah.; Myristica attenuata Wall.; Myristica corticosa Bedd.; Palala attenuata (Hook. fil. & Thoms.) Kuntze );   

¿ NAY-muh ? -- Greek: kneme (knee), referring to the knee like projections on the lower part of the stem ... Tree Wealth of KTR
at-ten-yoo-AY-tuh -- thin, weak ... Dave's Botanary 

Western Ghat endemic tree species; 

India (Goa, Karnataka, Kerala, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu) as per Catalogue of Life;
 
A rare evergreen tree, mostly found in Evergreen forest. 
 
Male and female flowers born on separate individuals;
Each triangular edges represents one anther and you can see the pollen grains as you enlarge or zoom in the picture;
Members of Myristica/Myristicaceae are pollinated by small beetles and the seeds are dispersed by Hornbills etc.;
When i made a slight cut in the bark to observe, you can see blood like reddish inner fluid oozing from bark;   


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ANDEC88 Knema attenuata : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (8).     
Someshwara Wildlife Sanctuary, Karnataka
28th December 2014

Very nice pictures!
 
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Agumbe Ghat :: Knema attenuata :: DVJAN16 : 3 posts by 2 authors. 9 images.
Agumbe Ghat (part of Someshwara Wildlife Sanctuary) ... Dakshina Kannada, Karnataka
Date: 28 DEC 2014 ... Altitude: about 600 m asl at crest, about 250 m asl at foothill 
Knema attenuata (J.Hk. & Th.) Warb. ... (family: Myristicaceae) 
Beautifully presented..
 

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TREE ID REQUEST: ON DAY TO DAY TRAIL IN THE KAIGA FOREST, FOUND THIS TREE WITH FRUIT
Date/Time-: 12/03/11         14:20
Location- Place, Altitude - Kaiga , Uttar Kannada ,Karnataka, 380 mtrs
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-    Wild
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb-  TREE
Height/Length-7m

The tree in question is neither Diospyros malabarica as the persistent calyx is absent and nor is the tree Bridelia retusa as fruits of Bridelia are shiny berries almost black in colour. However i could be incorrect. Experts please comment
.. the picture above  may or may not be Bridelia. But the black berries of Bridelia retusa take time to turn black, before that they are of various colours- grey- green, green, yellowish, half green yellow maroon and than turn black. Infact, most of the time I have seen them in unripe form only. You may check my pictures of the same posted last week.
I have seen Bridelia berries at all stages and have eaten them too.
They are quite sweet when ripe.
I am confident that the tree in picture is not Bridelia. It neither seems to be Lagerstroemia as the leaves donot seem to be opposite.
It could be Knema attenuata, please check it

It is Knema attenuata (syn. Myristica attenuata), from family Myristacaceae. A rare evergreen tree, mostly found in Evergreen forest.
 
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Fruiting tree - Myristica malabarica: Attachments (4)
Fruiting tree - Myristica malabarica (ID confirmation required), endemic, Fam. Myristicaceae
Unchalli Falls, Western ghats
Local name: Rampatre
Uttara Kannada
Monsoon, Jun 2009
ITP Link : Myristica malabarica - new to the data base
Forwarding & requesting again for ID assistance.
Local name Rama patre -
Fruit- carpels -2, Red
Leaves 18cms approx, alternate,
Tree height-30 ft.
Botik.org reference says  Myristica fatua Houtt. var. magnifica (Bedd.) Sinclair - MYRISTICACEAE
Vernacular names : Malayalam: Churapayin; Kothapayin; Kottapannu Kannada: Ramapatre
http://www.biotik.org/india/species/m/myrifama/myrifama_en.html

I do not think that this is Myristica fatua Houtt. var. magnifica (Bedd.) Sinclair (your subject line says Myristica malabarica). And some I think this is neither of this .
To me this looks like Knema attenuata of Myristicaceae family, an endemic tree of the Western Ghats.
Myristica fatua Houtt. var. magnifica is restricted to the Fresh water swamps in the Southern Western Ghats. By the way, you haven't mentioned the place where you have seen this.
This is nothing but Knema attenuata as suggested by ...
Yes It is Kneema attenuata.
UNCHALLI FALLS DOES NOT HAVE MARSHY PLACES. SO THE SPECIES MYRISTICA FATUA IS RULED OUT, BOTHNENVIRONMENTALLY AND MORPHOLOGICALLY. FROM THE LEAVES AND FRUITS, THE SPECIES IS KNEMA ATTENUATA. PLEASE REFER MY BOOK 'FOREST TREES OF THE WESTERN GHATS

Is this fruit is Knema attenuata.? 
Date/Time-:25/05/10 - 10:30
Location- Place, Altitude - Kaiga , Uttar Kannada ,Karnataka, 380 mtrs
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- wild
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Tree
Height/Length- 8m
Most probably Knema attenuata.
Picture/s of leaves needed for confirmation.
 
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It was in the last December, I happened to see Knema attenuata was in full bloom in Vythiri, Waynad, Kerala.  
Knema attenuata belongs to the family Myristicaceae is a Western Ghat endemic tree species. This is one among the most dominant tree species in the Western Ghats. Distributed mostly in the western side of the Ghats. This shade loving tree species usually grows in the sub-canopy layer of evergreen forests.  
The flowers of this plant was a common sight during this time (December -February) whenever I go for field work.  This time I was fortunate to look through and capture the small sized male flowers (the plant is dioecious; male and female flowers born on separate individuals) of Knema attenuata with a macro lens.
I like the contrasting colors of androecium (stamens are conjoined here) and perianth.
The tiny male flowers (female flowers are dull. I shall upload pictures later) are really a beauty and treat to the eyes. Beautiful photograph ... of Knema attenuata. Sharp and clear picture. Last year i had seen this tree in flowering at North Kanara.
Nice picture ..., with sharp details. I guess this is pollinated by some beetle?! Would like to see the female flowers too. 
Beautiful flower .. And interesting information too. Yes the stamens are in an amazing colour. This kind of marroon colour is a feature of basal angiosperms I guess. Please post the female flower also. 
yes males of Peacock and other cock ( as in early morning Cocka-doodle - doo) and many are more decked out than the female of the species...and look more beautiful... except HUMANS !!!! ha ha...
Very nice capture indeed... never seen it...
another thing that strikes me is : the but is so sinister looking yet the open petals so inviting... may be ma nature had a reason???
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I hereby include the picture of female flower of the species that I captured from the same location but from a different individual.
You mean that the tringular edges have anthers below it?
This is a very interesting pic.
Yes ... each triangular edges represents one anther and you can see the pollen grains as you enlarge or zoom in the picture.
It would be interested in understanding who is the best suited candidate to carry the pollen to the female flowers. I had some observations and they are not conclusive. I will share more interesting facts regarding this aspect as I get more info.
By the way, thank you for your encouraging comments.
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I am sharing a photograph of Knema attenuata which i had photographed at North Karnataka during my trek last year.
Nice picture, ... The androecium looks like a natural clock with its 12 units (anthers) in the exact position of hours in a dial.
I also had a guess that the pollinator could be beetles but now, I think it is some moths! As we hardly seen visitors in the day time, we checked for nocturnal visitors and we could see some moths are playing around. I am into collecting more info. I will share the same as I get.
Hope you could see the female flower picture that I uploaded earlier.
Thanks ... for information as well as pictures. The following link gives a gist that the members of Myristica/Myristicaceae are pollinated by small beetles and the seeds are dispersed by Hornbills etc. http://www.ces.iisc.ernet.in/biodiversity/sahyadri_enews/newsletter/issue13/index.htm
 
 
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Flora of Kaiga_Sharing_Knema attenuta 13042016 PK1 : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)
Pl see Attached three pic-The mountain ranges of Uttarakannada Western Ghats road side you can find this medium sized tree Knema attenuta.
fruiting can be seen in natural forest road side in kaiga.
Date/Time-:01/04/2015   -    15:30,
Location- Place, Altitude - Kaiga, Uttar Kannada, Karnataka, 380 mtrs
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ - Wild
Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Tree
Wonderful photography.
 
 
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¿ NAY-muh ? -- Greek: kneme (knee), referring to the knee like projections on the lower part of the stem ... Tree Wealth of KTR
at-ten-yoo-AY-tuh -- thin, weak ... Dave's Botanary 
commonly known astapering nutmegwild nutmeg • Kannadaಕಾಡು ಪಿಂಡೆ kaadu pindeರಕ್ತಮರ raktamara • Konkaniरान जायफळ ran jayaphal • Malayalamചെന്നെല്ലി chennelliചോരപത്രി chorapatriചോരപ്പൈൻ chorappaiചോരപ്പാലി chorappaliചോരപ്പം chorappamചോരപ്പാതിരി chorappathiri • Marathiरान जायफळ ran jayaphal • Tamilசுரபத்திரி cura-pattiri 
botanical namesKnema attenuata (J.Hk. & Th.) Warb. ... synonymMyristica attenuata Wall. ex Hk.f. & Thoms. ... Biotik 
December 8, 2012 ... at Matheran 


Flora picture of the Year - 2012 :: Dinesh Valke: All art is but imitation of nature - Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Knema attenuata Warb.
08 DEC 12 ... Matheran 
Many thanks to ... for showing me this beautiful ornamental flower
Your photography is really an art.
Myristicaceae an uncommon family(?)
Syn. Myristica attenuata. Said to be endemic to Western ghats.
You have mentioned it as ornamental which it will always be.
Liked the quote associated with it by Lucius Annaeus Seneca.
Many artists will get inspired by such natural designs.
Thanks for shring this beauty. Earlier ... also liked it and shared it as Flora picture 2011
I have added this to Flora picture 2012
 
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Plz id this tree: pa46 - 23nov2012: Attachments (4)
Plz id this tree from Matheran region. I did not see the flowers or fruits. The trunk is very slim so maybe its young plant. Tks.
Knema attenuata

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Knema attenuata: 1 image.
Here I'm sending a Photograph of Knema attenuata, member of Myristicaceae.
Oct-2012 at Location - Tamhini Ghat

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Knema attenuata: (2 images) Sharing photographs of Knema attenuata
Synonyms: Myristica attenuata
Common Name : Wild Nutmeg
Vernacular Name : Ran Jayphal
Family: Myristicaceae
Location : Pune, MH_Nov 2012
Nice set of pics. Liked the last slide.
It is the shot of a male flower of Knema attenuata, Very charming.
I hope this is also from Tamhini near Pune.
Very good find. Nice pictures of all the posted plants from your successful trip of Oct 12
Your guess is absolutely correct ... :)
Oct 2012 was great time !!
n litraly Tamhini Ghat n also Varandha Ghat r amazing places for Naturalists n Nature lovers !!
This tree is known as ചോരപ്പാതിരി (Chorapathiri), ചോരപ്പത്രി (Chorapathri) or ചോരപ്പയിന്‍ (Chorapayin) in Malayalam.
'ചോര' (Chora) in Malayalam means blood. So the name could be referring to the red sap as well as the red aril of the tree. 
Pl. find attached 3 photos of Knema attenuata . ON A TRAIL IN THE KAIGA FOREST, I FOUND THIS WILD PLANT Now It's Fruiting time for Knema attenuata (syn. Myristica attenuata), from family Myristacaceae
when i made a slight cut in the bark to observe, you can see blood like reddish inner fluid oozing from bark. It is called Rakta mara in Kannada
Kaiga is natural habitat for this species and harbours many endemic species of plant.
Date/Time-: 22/01/12 11:20
Location-Place, Altitude - Kaiga , Uttar Kannada ,Karnataka, 380 mtrs
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Wild
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- TREE
Height/Length-7m

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ANNOV33/33 Knema attenuata (Hook.f. & Thomson) Warburg : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (4)
Family: Myristicaceae
Date: 15th November 2015
Place: Agumbe, Shimoga District, Karnataka

Habit: Tree
Habitat: Semi-evergreen forest

I had posted other details from a nearby area last year. I had the opportunity to check the blaze of the tree this time.

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knema attenuata at Kali Tiger Reserve : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2)
Knema attenuata (Family: Myristicaceae) at Kali Tiger Reserve, North Karnataka.

 


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