Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens

Abelmoschus manihot (L.) Medik. subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. var. pungens (Roxb.) Hochr., Candollea 2:87. 1925 (syn: (≡) Abelmoschus pungens (Roxb.) Voigt; (≡) Hibiscus pungens Roxb. (basionym));

As per efi thread:
Stem non - prickly = A. manihot subsp. manihot (Himalayan subsp.)
Stem prickly = A. manihot subsp. tetraphylla ----> 
    subsp. tetraphylla var. tetraphylla .......epicalyx lobes covered with small soft hairs. 
    subsp. tetraphylla var. pungens .......epicalyx lobes covered in long prickly hairs. 
(Abelmoschus is separated from Hibiscus on basis of calyx...splits on one side in flowering, falls off with corolla on withering)


Please suggest id for this tall shrub shot from Gori Valley area, I think this can be "Kastoori Bhindi", Abelmoschus moschatus...
Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens Roxb., I think.

May I request ...,  who has revised this family for Flora of India to pl. help in this matter.



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Abelmoschus moschatus from Chakrata for validation:
8 images. This tall herb was photographed from Chakrata-Deoban Road in September 2011. I suppose this can be "Kasturi Bhindi" Abelmoschus moschatus Medik. I request for validation/correction of the same.
I am sorry again for an odd attachment.
Yes ... Very nice set of photographs
Yes Mushkdana or Kasturi Bhindi as popularly known in trade

Feedback from another thread from ...:
"This is also Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens Roxb., I think."
"If I do not make mistake the set in this thread is same as in another earlier thread https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/x1gg-RzeT2Y/z7-on6nc2hkJ.
The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the "linear to narrowly oblong" epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?
Instead, this species bear some similarities with A. angulosus uploaded by ... and ... But the species perhaps not distributed in your region.
I still have confusion to the id I myself suggested for this species in the thread."

Abelmoschus manihot subspecies tetraphyllus var. pungens


Abelmoschus moschatus growing along roadsides and mountain foothills near Dakpathar on way to Chakrata.
Feedback from another thread from ...:
"This is also Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens Roxb., I think."
"If I do not make mistake the set in this thread is same as in another earlier thread https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/x1gg-RzeT2Y/z7-on6nc2hkJ.
The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the "linear to narrowly oblong" epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?
Instead, this species bear some similarities with A. angulosus uploaded by ... and ... But the species perhaps not distributed in your region.
I still have confusion to the id I myself suggested for this species in the thread."
Also looks different from other images at Abelmoschus moschatus Medik.


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Abelmoschus crinitus Wall. ?? : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (7)
Location:  Suryavinayak, Bhktapur, Nepal
Date: 7 October 2017
Elevation : 4800 ft.

Does not matches with images at Abelmoschus crinitus
Appears closer to images at Abelmoschus moschatus 

These images by ... look similar to the images I forwarded and available currently at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens ?
Does these offer better clues for final id ?
Sorry, I could not verify.

In this case, it would be better if you check with the references under Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens
Abelmoschus manihot sobsp. tetraphylla. Because stem has prickles. 
Long hairs on epicalyx suggests it should be var. pungens, if on touch those hairs are bristly. 
Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. Thank you …
According to ID validation of recent post it should also be Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens
since it from same location.
This is from the same plant Dr. Singh!
Date: 15 November 2019.
Attachments (1)- 7 mb. 
Attachments (1)- 5 mb. 
Attachments (1)- 7 mb. 
Attachments (1)- 5 mb. 


Abelmoschus moschatus growing along roadsides and mountain foothills near Dakpathar on way to Chakrata.
I was labelling this specimen after confirming from Flora of Mussoorie and you hit the target
Here are mines
I think you are now going to shower Chakrata plants Starting from 16-9-11
Feedback from another thread from ...:
"This is also Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens Roxb., I think."
"If I do not make mistake the set in this thread is same as in another earlier thread https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/x1gg-RzeT2Y/z7-on6nc2hkJ.
The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the "linear to narrowly oblong" epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?
Instead, this species bear some similarities with A. angulosus uploaded by ... and ... But the species perhaps not distributed in your region.
I still have confusion to the id I myself suggested for this species in the thread."
Also looks different from other images at Abelmoschus moschatus Medik.

My experience with this plant at Tezpur says that the seeds on rubbing gives a distinct smell of mask.

Please validate the id of this post monsoon flowering  shrub recorded from Chakrata area..
I think this can be Abelmoschus moschatus..
efi page on Abelmoschus moschatus 
Thank you for sharing. I fail to find number and character of epicalyx lobes clearly. feature of calyx is also not clear to me.
This is also Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens Roxb., I think.
Thank you very much ... for providing your valuable suggestions regarding many of my posts...your deep involvement is really inspiring...
I will be more careful while taking pics in future, but for all these submissions, I have tried to provide all possible shots from different angles with me...
Thanks again ...!!
If I do not make mistake the set in this thread is same as in another earlier thread.
The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the "linear to narrowly oblong" epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?
Instead, this species bear some similarities with A. angulosus uploaded by ... But the species perhaps not distributed in your region.
I still have confusion to the id I myself suggested for this species in the thread.


 
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Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk. : 12 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (2) - 2 & 3 mb.
Location: Chalnakhel, kathmandu, Nepal
Altitude: 1570 m.
Date: 14 September  2019
Habit : Wild

Attachments (2) - 4 & 3 mb.
Attachments (2) - 3 & 3 mb.
Attachments (1)- 4 mb.  

we have a page
the two leaves you showed do not match any on the page that has many cases
My earlier post  of same plant was identified By ...


Leaves vary a lot in their lobation ......this species and A. tuberculatus, both grow in plenty every year ...their leaves 
very from entire to shallowly to deeply 3 to 5 lobed with lobes narrow to wide. 
Keys in many publications do not include leaf as a factor. 
If you simply say Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk., it will mean Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. tetraphylla and not Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens

I agree with ... Based on long straight hairs on epicalyx, this must be var. pungens




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