Geranium wallichianum

Geranium wallichianum D.Don ex Sweet, Geraniaceae 1: t. 90 1821. ;
 
Wallich Geranium • Hindi: Lal jari, रतनजोत Ratanjot, Chowhri • Nepali: राक्लामुल Rakla mool;
 
Perhaps the commonest species of large-flowered Geraniums in Himalayas but easily distingished by its 3-5 lobed leaves with broader lobes, very large broadly ovate to oblong stipules often as long as 2 cm and purple, mauve to bluish purple flowers.
 
Geranium wallichianum can be easily differentiated from other large flowered species (G. collinum, G. grevilleanum, G. wallichianum, G. tuberaria) in that stipules are very large (1-2 cm long), very broad (ovate-oblong) and often common between two leaves on each side(due to fusion of two adjacent stipules; may be often bifid). In other species the stipules are very narrow, linear, usually less than 1 cm long and two between two adjacent leaves on each side (they are free not united).   
 
 
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Flora of Chakrata: Geranium sp from ChakrataGeranium sp from Chakrata
Wild Herb with purple beautiful flowers
I hope this is Geranium wallichianum
Pls validate
Yes ...

Sir could you tell me the differences between Geranium himalayense & Geranium wallichianum
Geranium wallichianum can be easily differentiated from other large flowered species (G. collinum, G. grevilleanum, G. wallichianum, G. tuberaria) in that stipules are very large (1-2 cm long), very broad (ovate-oblong) and often common between two leaves on each side(due to fusion of two adjacent stipules; may be often bifid). In other species the stipules are very narrow, linear, usually less than 1 cm long and two between two adjacent leaves on each side (they are free not united).

I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums


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Wild Flower for ID : Kashmir : 121011 : AK-3: Found on the mountain slope on way to Gulmarg, Kashmir on the 11th Sept,11.
Geranium?
Yes Geranium for sure
Most probably G. wallichianum, but it can be confirmed only from a close up of base of leaf (stipules).

Adding one more picture although the flower picture isn't very clear....the leaves are seen.
Yes G. wallichianum for sure.

I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is probably Geranium wallichianum (the foliage fits - though certainly makes it much harder to be sure without close-up images of flowers, foliage & stipules) but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums


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Geranium species from Paddar valley J&K 03: Request for ID confirmation
Bot. name: Geranium wallichianum
Family: Geraniaceae
Location: Paddar valley district Kishtwar J&K
Date: 1st August 2011
Altitude: About 3000 metes asl
Plant habit/habitat: Wild
I hope Geranium Grevilleanum, but stipules and calyx lobes need to be checked.
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums


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VoF Week: Geranium wallichianum: Name of species : Geranium wallichianum
Family : Geraniaceae
Habit : Herb
Habitat : Hill slope, with open forest
Date of click : 14th Aug`12
Location: Near VoF entrance gate, at around 3175 Mtrs height.
Abundance : Good/common
I wish there is a photograph of stipules to confirm species.
I am sorry sir for the upload but I dont have any pic with stipule. But is there any confusion with this species?
Here is the key to reach the id and you can see the importance of stipules in the id
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=113475
Three things are very important for Geranium species leaf profile (rounded or angular, number of lobes), flower size (less than 2 cm vs more than 2 cm diam.) and size and shape of stipules (free for united). G. wallichianum is one species which has united stipules more than a cm long and very broad.
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums


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VOF Week 280812_DS_08: This geranium is common in Himalaya, but every time is a source of joy.
The colour of the first pic is violet-ish. Hope all are of samr species.
There seems to be mix of two species, at least 679 is different. Associated leaves and stipules should help.
I agree with ...- there is a mix of 2 or species.
0679 could be G. pratense or G. himalayense
649, 650 looks like Geranium wallichianum - in one picture I can see what look like large stipules.
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
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Vof Week: Geranium wallichianum from VoF: Geranium wallichianum from VoF
I wish you had one shot of stipules. These large flowered species may be confusing without stipules and full profile of lower leaves.
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
 
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VOF Week: Geranium sp-G2 -- along Govindghat-Ghangaria route: Geranium sp-G2 -- along Govindghat-Ghangaria route.
Geranium wallichianum
Broader united stipules are very clear.
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
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Geranium sp from Chakrata
Wild Herb with purple beautiful flowers
I hope this is Geranium wallichianum
Pls validate
Yes ...
Sir could you tell me the differences between Geranium himalayense & Geranium wallichianum
Geranium wallichianum can be easily differentiated from other large flowered species (G. collinum, G. grevilleanum, G. wallichianum, G. tuberaria) in that stipules are very large (1-2 cm long), very broad (ovate-oblong) and often common between two leaves on each side (due to fusion of two adjacent stipules; may be often bifid). In other species the stipules are very narrow, linear, usually less than 1 cm long and two between two adjacent leaves on each side (they are free not united).

Yes, Geranium wallichianum


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Geranium Wallichianum from Kashmir:   Geranium wallichianum D. Don ex Sweet, Geran. 1:tab. 90. 1821.
Perhaps the commonest species of large-flowered Geraniums in Himalayas but easily distingished by its 3-5 lobed leaves with broader lobes, very large broadly ovate to oblong stipules often as long as 2 cm and purple, mauve to bluish purple flowers. 
Photographed from Kashmir.
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This is a repeat upload, from different locality, these pics were shot in Dalhousie... I hope this is again Geranium wallichianum D. Don ex Sweet....kindly validate or correct..
Nice photographs ...
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
 
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Balsaminaceae, Geraniaceae and Oxalidaceae Week : GERANIACEAE : RVS 2 : Geranium sp. : 4 images. 2 posts by 2 authors. This is perhaps one of the commonest Geraniums in Shimla. Could this be G. wallichianum?

Yes leaves do suggest G. wallichianum. stipules would have helped in confirming. 
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
Collett recorded this geranium as common in Shimla.
 
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This one was again shot from Chakrata.. I hope this one is Geranium wallichianum D. Don ex Sweet.. again I will upload those shot from VOF Tour in separate mail.. 
Yes ... Very good photographs
One of the very beautiful flowers. It reminded me of Linum Usitatissimum flowers which look very similar to this.
The third photograph - would I be correct to say - that it is the immature fruit of G. wallichianum? It is when the flower has fertilised and the petals fall, while the style lengthens and thickens rapidly giving rise to the structure depicted in the third photograph, called the Rostrum (also called Cranesbill); at the base of the Rostrum are five fruit segments called mericarps, each containing one seed. Is this correct? I'm a little confused, can somebody please clarify my doubts. I have two more questions:
a) Does the third photograph (3) show the Rostrum and the mericarps?
b) I read somewhere that elongate Schizocarp is typical of plants in the geranium family. Where or what is the Schizocarp in this photograph? (If somebody could help label the third photograph or explain the parts, I would be rather grateful!)
I love trekking in our mountains and have special interest in their flora, I have studied biology till class 10 only, so please do be kind! Thanks.
Looking forward to hearing from the experts!
I will do this for you in my next message. .I have to search my database for any mature fruit showing dehiscence..
You are right in saying that third picture has unripe fruit, at this stage this is early to observe mericarps..
I appreciate your love for plants and quest..this is definitely not a matter of formal education in the subject, many of the experts on eflora do not belong to Botany or even Biology..
Thanks for replying. Let me rephrase my doubt. I would like to only know what the third photograph of the G. Wallichianum is depicting, the immature fruit part is correct, so the elongated structure is indeed the Style, right? But what is the basal structure? the basal part shows very prominent five strips at the base, is that not the mericarps (five indehiscent, seed-bearing carpels)? if not, what are these petal like strips called.
Thanks for the time, for looking into this!
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
This form reminds me of a variant I saw near the Narayanswamy Ashram in what I called the 'Kailash' Himalaya clos to the border with West Nepal.
 
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Balsaminaceae, Geraniaceae and Oxalidaceae Week:: Geraniaceae:: Geranium wallichianum en-route Hampta Pass - PKA34 : 2 images.  2 posts by 2 authors.
Bot. name: Geranium wallichianum
Family: Geraniaceae
Date/Time: 26-09-2010 / 01:30PM
Location: Jofra, on the way to Hampta Pass (Altitude: 10000 ft approx.)
Habitat: Wild
Plant habit: Herb

Yes ... Very good photographs
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
A colleague of mine in 1989 saw a form of Geranium wallichianum on the Rohtang Pass with similar flowers to this. It is close to what is known in cultivation in the UK as Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' after a selection made in North Wales back in the 1930s I think.
 
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One of the commonest large-flowered Himalayan species with large united stipules often broadly ovate and longer than 1.5 cm; flowers purple 5-8 cm across; leaves 3-5-lobed with broader less deeply lobed segments.
Photographed from Kashmir and Chakrata
Wow!! Close up of flowers are so good, thank you for presenting these beautiful pictures, Sir.
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
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Geranium himalayense : Attachments (1).  3 posts by 3 authors.
Common name: Himalayan Geranium, Lilac Cranesbill
Botanical name: Geranium himalayense
Family: Geraniaceae (geranium family)

Although not very clear, the stipules suggest Geranium wallichianum
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums


 
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Geranium : 9 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (2).
I was happy to find the hillsides covered in wild geraniums on my walk this morning, competing well with foldwing, isodon, catmint and balsam. I assume these to be the Himalayan Geranium but they could also be Wallich Geranium. There are two different hues too, the second has more cyan and a lighter, almost white centre (the other behind the one I am holding in the second picture). Please help with correct identification.
Himalayan Geranium
Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
About 1800m
28 September 2014
great to see these flowers and your nice crisp well saturated pics
Thank you ... for your encouraging words. I am hoping someone will confirm the ID soon.
efi pages on Geranium wallichianum & Geranium himalayense (Himalayan Geranium)
It is Geranium wallichianum
Thank you ... Do both hues belong to wallichianum?
I think yes.
Yes. Both are same. Type of colour, size of the plant/ its parts is not going to affect the change in nomenclature.


 
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Geranium wallichianum ABJUL01/22 : 2 posts by 2 authors. 7 images.
This one was from my Saturday’s trek to Triund. I was lucky to find the flower and the cranesbill pod on the same plant. The two flowers and the stipules are from different plants though.
Geranium wallichianumWallich’s Geranium 
Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
2300m approx.
09 July 2016
Liked the 1st & 4th one the most.
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums
Stewart recorded this species from 2100-3300m in Kashmir, 'Flowers of the Himalaya' say 2400-3600m for the Himalaya as a whole, so this specimen is very much at the lower limit of its altitudinal range.


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Geranium wallichianum AT AUG2016/04 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)
Geranium wallichianum
Wallich Geranium
Hindi: Lal jari
Shimla
Aug., 2016

I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums

Another flower from HP ID please : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)
ID please, From Himachal Pradesh, photographed today (22.9.16)
I think Geranium wallichianum..
I shall be inspecting all the Geraniums posted on this site in due course. I am in agreement that this is almost certainly Geranium wallichianum but those reading this should be aware just how variable this species is in terms of flower colour. Nasir in Geraniaceae (Flora of Pakistan) describes the petals as mauve but this is only a small fraction of the variation. It is very difficult for herbarium taxonomists as in most cases they only have dried, pressed specimens to refer to. Often the colour of dried flowers is different to fresh flowers plus in many cases accompanying field notes are minimal or non-existent, seldom mentioning flower colour. I know of forms which are bluish with white centres, pink, mauve and all sorts in between from the Western Himalaya.
The same applies to colour of filaments and styles (which Nasir says is reddish).
This species can normally be distinguished by its large oblong to oval stipules. It can normally be recognised but many other geraniums present considerable challenges identification-wise. Those interested in other species should read my other posts about Geraniums


 
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wildflowers of the Kedarnath Wildlife sanctuary Uttarkhand : 9 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Again posting the pictures of wildflowers seen at Kedarnath Wildlife Sanctuary, Uttarakhand on 11th september 2016. Most abundant flowering plant seen in the sanctuary during my short visit.
Please id the plant.
Firs picture is the close up and second is the blooming flowers 

I think Geranium.
i too had think about it. may G.cinereum
Yes, this is a Geranium.  Seems to match Geranium wallichianumThis species is found from Afghanistan through to Bhutan in forests, shrubberies & on open slopes @ 2400-3600m.  Flower colour varies from pink to red-purple, sometimes blue, often though not always with a whitish centre.
For Geraniums it is important to photograph the stipules - this species is readily distinguished by its large ovate often coloured stipules (these are scale-like or leaf-like appendages at the base of leaf-stalks).
Close-ups of leaves would also help along with view of the sepals.
Thank you for your  mail and the identification of the plant.
Thanks a lot for provide the details of the plant too
Here I attached the side view of Gernaium 
Thanks for additional photo of the Geranium. This view shows a little of the rear of the petals which is consistent with some forms of G.walichianum which I have seen - the species shows considerable
variation in colour of petals even within plants a short distance apart.
But good shots of the stipules and lower leaves (which can be quite different to the upper/stem leaves) are most helpful.
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Given that I have been scrutinising postings of Geranium on eFI, seems worthwhile for me to post a large selection of images taken in recent days (November 2016) of a form of Geranium wallichianum growing in the Kohli Memorial Botanical Garden in the UK including the fruits and seed. I hope members will see how informative such a set of images covering a number of characteristics of a species are. They are so useful in providing supporting evidence to have
greater confidence in distinguishing it from other species belonging to this genus. The more detail one can observe the better we understand infra (within) and inter (between) species variation.
I hope the serious photographers amongst you will be encouraged to do likewise - and then everyone can start to see the potential of modestly-priced compact cameras (once users have some practise to reliably produce similar results).  I strongly consider the availability of such cameras has the potential to TRANSFORM field botany and our knowledge and study of plants in the wild (and cultivation) - though one needs to be organised and methodical.  This comes with experience.
It was not feasible to achieve such results even just a few years back - let alone the decades of slide film. I admit to being reluctant to embrace digital photography, yet here I am now an advocate!  I only realised the potential for plant identification & study the past couple of years.  It will take time for others to recognise this including those at the most senior levels in the botanical world.  Some of the best and most senior field botanists in the UK have never been serious photographers, do not use computers let alone e-mail.  I can understand why the don't "get it yet".
One always has to be aware of the potential for hybridisation when a plant is cultivated especially in the genus Geranium - plus there are other geraniums in this garden, so the bees would not have had to travel far.
Nevertheless, this the plants photographed appear to be a dwarf variant of Geranium wallichianum with flowers varying in colour from bluish with a white centre (which is close to what is known as 'Buxton's Variety') to more pinkish. Such variants of this species, found commonly from Afghanistan to Bhutan in forests, shrubberies, open slopes @ 2400-3600m. Flowers of the Himalaya describe the flower colour as rose to red-purple with a pale centre but other variants are widespread including those with uniform colour. Such a variant grows in the Kohli Memorial Botanical Garden.
The main flowering of the plants photographed took place during the summer but it is not unusual, especially during mild autumns for a second flowering, though less prolific, as has happened this year.
Just goes to show what can still be photographed so late in the year! Sometimes, when there is less to overwhelm the senses, meaningful observations and photographic records can be made - even into December. We, close to London (Heathrow is not far) seldom get snow before Xmas.
As can be seen (from the 18 images.....) I have taken close ups of the front and rear of the flowers, displaying the sepals, stipules (albeit these have gone over somewhat), upper & lower surface of leaves and the capsules/ mericarps, finally the large, plump seeds with a ruler showing these to be 3.5-4mm in length, one of the largest of Himalayan species.
I have looked at the seeds using a binocular microscope @ x20 and x40 magnification.  Even greater detail of seed coats are shown at higher magnification and are likely to be diagnostic.  But such magnifications are beyond my camera. So we must settle with what we can do

Sorry, i have only these 2 pics of this particular plant spotted at Vof. . 
Lovely pictures.. perhaps G. wallichianum..

Stipules should help. More chances of G. lambertii.
Whilst I am in agreement that being able to view the stipules (and foliage for that matter) would, as ... states, have been of considerable help, the
flowers seem closest to Geranium wallichianum to me - note the whitish centres.  They do not come close to what I understand to be Geranium lambertii (which I shall shortly be posting some images of for reference purposes).


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One more Geranium sp - at VoF.

I would say pink-flowered G. lambertii like mine from Kashmir
Thanks ...
I am unsure about this.  Looks different to the specimens from Chamba & Kashmir which are thought to be G.lambertii. This species was recorded from
the VoF but these images do not match my understanding of G.lambertii. The stamens and flower-shape, especially the final image appear close to
G.wallichianum to me - cannot see the foliage well let alone the stipules (which could have confirmed my thinking).  Please read the following advice
and take photos of other parts of geraniums not just the flowers as "supporting evidence" is needed especially as we are trying to better understand this genus in the Himalaya. ............
I think close to images at Geranium wallichianum D.Don ex Sweet
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VOF Week: Geranium sp-G4 -- at VoF:   Geranium sp-G4 -- at VoF.

I think close to images at Geranium wallichianum D.Don ex Sweet 
 
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VOF Week: Geranium sp-G6-- at VoF: Geranium sp-G6 -- at VoF.

Appears close to images at Geranium wallichianum D.Don ex Sweet


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VOF Week: Geranium sp-G1 -- along Govindghat-Ghangaria route: (I have got few set of Geranium flowers. Few might turn out to be identical. However, i had decided to post each set separately in order to rule out any mixing up of photographs. Sorry for bit inconvenience.)
This particular Geranium sp (G1) was spotted along Govindghat-Ghangaria route.
(Family:Geraniaceae ).

Should be Geranium nepalense...
Flower size please?? To me it looks much larger than G. nepalense (usually 10-14 mm across). Also sepal awns look longer even for G. nepalense
Yes, flower seems to be different than G. nepalense.
Flower size was approx. 3 to 4 cm.
Appears close to images at Geranium wallichianum D.Don ex Sweet
 
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Geranium for ID :: VOF, Uttarakhand :: Aug 2018 :: ARKOCT-38 : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)
These were really big Geraniums, nearly 4-5 cm across. These were seen in the Valley of flowers, Uttarakhand in Aug 2018.
Requested to please provide ID.

Thanks, ... Pl. check comparative images at 

To me appears close to images at Geranium wallichianum D.Don ex Sweet as per comparative images at Geranium

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Geranium wallichianum (Geraniaceae) from Rohtang… : 16 posts by 7 authors. Attachments (7)
Here am attaching some images of Geranium wallichianum (Geraniaceae) shot from Rohtang in August 2018...!!!
very nice informative close up. whole plant size? cultivated? wild?

... its wild...
thanks. did you photograph the whole plant. were there seedpods?
No mam.. whatever i have with me is being attached..!!
oh ok.
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so a good lesson from now on. try to include all. good practice. never know when you might need something for a lecture, a paper or plain old complete case


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