Crateva adansonii subsp. odora

Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs, Blumea 12: 198 1964. (Syn: Crateva odora Buch.-Ham.; Crateva roxburghii R.Br.; Crateva tapia subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) S.M.Almeida; Crateva tumulorum Miq.;                     C. religiosa var. roxburghii (R. Br.) Hook. f. & Thomson; C. nurvala sensu Blatter in J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 35: 293. 1931, non Buch.- Ham.);
 
Sacred Barna, Bengal Quince, Bila, Bilasi, Narnohi, Temple Plant, Garlic pear tree, Caper tree, Three-leaf caper, Obtuse Leaf Crateva • Hindi: Barna, Barni बर्नी, बर्ना • Manipuri: লোইয়ুম্বা লৈ Loiyumba lei • Tamil: Marvilinga • Bengali: Barun • Sanskrit: वरुण Varuna • Malayalam: Nir mathalam • Kannada: Nirvala • Telugu: Voolemara;


India: In open forests or scrub jungles, from sea level to 750 m. Throughout India (except in the humid hill states of N.E. India and Kashmir) as per BSI Flora of India;

India (widespread), Jammu & Kashmir (Kashmir, Jammu), Sri Lanka, Myanmar [Burma], Pakistan (introduced) as per Catalogue of Life;
 
A deciduous tree with grey, fairly smooth bark. Leaflets 3, obovate- oblong or lanceolate, acuminate, entire, glabrous. Petiole 10-15 cm long. Flowers 5-8 cm in diameter, white, pale-yellow or light rose, in many-flowered, lax, terminal corymbs. Sepals 4, deciduous. Petals 4, long-clawed, oblong-obovate or spathulate. Stamensnumerous, filaments slender, free, exceeding the petals. Ovary on a long gynophore. Stigma sessile. Fruita many seeded ovoid berry, 3-5 cm in diameter, seeds embedded in a yellow pulp.
 

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Sharing the images of Crataeva tapia from Coimbatore. 
This is new to me. We have seen only C adansonii ssp odora.
Taking this as Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in view of discussions in another thread.


Attached are pictures of Crataeva species captured in Maharashtra Nature Park, Mumbai in March 2013.
Requested to please provide ID. 
Crateva species in efi so far.
Some relevant extracts from
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva adansonii (i.e not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)).
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
The common species of Sacred Barna [locally called Vaivarun] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed by ... at Kanheri] is C.tapia. It is a small tree with a much-branched head and greenish-white flowers.
The other species of Crataeva found in Maharashtra is C.adansonii [C.tapia ssp. odora] which is common around Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly slopes. It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white flowers.
Thank you ... for detailed clarification...
Based on the same I take it that this is Crataeva tapia....
Taking this as Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in view of discussions in another thread.
Thank you ... for indicating correct ID.
 
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Attached are pictures of Crataeva species captured in Jijamata Udyan, Mumbai in March 2013.
Requested to please provide ID.
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva adansonii (i.e not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)).
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
The common species of Sacred Barna [locally called Vaivarun] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed by ... at Kanheri] is C.tapia. It is a small tree with a much-branched head and greenish-white flowers.
The other species of Crataeva found in Maharashtra is C.adansonii [C.tapia ssp. odora] which is common around Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly slopes. It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white flowers.
Thank you ... for detailed clarification...
Based on the same I take it that this is also Crataeva tapia....
Taking this as Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in view of discussions in another thread.
Thank you ... for indicating correct ID.  
 
 
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Crataeva tapia L.: Crataeva tapia L. ( syn. Crataeva roxburghii Br.) Have seen this beautiful tree flowering since last couple of months in Mumbai, although all books  I refer to have mentioned the flowering period as March to May !. These blooms and fruiting were seen in Mumbai this week,  I have followed Dr. Almeida' s classification, there may be several synonyms and so on in other classifications. 
-  A similar variety Crataeva adansonii flowers twice in a year. For last two years I am regularly observing this. The first flowering period is Mar- Apr and second time the flowers appear during Oct-Nov.
Taking this as Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in view of discussions in another thread.


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crataeva species: Crataeva tapia
After a telephonic conversation with .., I have pegged this down to Crataeva tapia, which is synonymous with nurvula and religiosa. The flowers were greenish white and the tree smallish in size about 8m. Image 6 shows an unripe berry. There are three trees which have been flowering profusely at bal bhavan on marine drive for the last three weeks. Flowers are beginning to fall now and the trees are getting greener with new foliage.
Would very much appreciate a confirmation 
- Sharing my pic of Crataeva tapia
- My photographs taken at Shahapur in February this year. Flowering commenced in Feb. and is currently waning.
Taking this as Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in view of discussions in another thread.


 
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Crateva religiosa from Hooghly: My colleague. ... recorded these photogrpahs yesterday, near Konnagarh (Hooghly), roadside. Is this Crataeva religiosa Forst., and the Bengali name given to it BARUN ? 
Crateva = Crataeva !!!
Crateva religiosa Forst.? or Crateva religiosa Forst. f.? or Crateva religiosa G.Forst.?
Images at the net -
So, the species in this post =
  • C. religiosa Forst ?
  • C. religiosa Forst. f. ?
  • C. religiosa G. Forst ?
  • C. nurvala Buch. -Ham. ?

This is the Sacred Barna [Crataeva tapia Linn.]. The local name is Vavarun.
Thank you very much Sir for the correct name of this tree.
Taking this as Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in view of discussions in another thread.

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There has been a lot of confusion w.r.t. the numerous postings in efloraofindia.
One issue is that are Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs & Crataeva tapia L. same ?
A. As per efi thread: ... has stated as below:
According to my obeservation and reference from Almeida, Fl of Maharashtra the following can be described as
1. Leaves ovate-lanceolate; Berry ovoid                                        C. magna
1. Leaves ovate or obovate, not lanceolate; Berry globose           
C. tapia
Crataeva magna (Lour.) DC., Prodr. 1: 243, 1824; Sharma et al, Fl. India 2: 324, 1993; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 98, 2005.
Synonyms: Capparis magna Lour. Fl. Cochinch. 1: 331, 1790. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Trans. L. Soc. 15: 118, 1827. Crateva tapia L., ssp. odora (Jacob.) Almeida, Fl. Savantwadi 44, 1990 & in Fl, Mah. 1: 51, 1996. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Trans. L. Soc. 15: 118, 1827. Crateva religiosa var. nurvala Hook f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872; Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 44, 1958 (Repr.). Crataeva nurvala Ham. in Trans. L. Soc. 15: 121, 1827. C. roxburghii sensu Graham, Cat. Bombay Pl. 8, 1839. (non Br., 1826).
Common name: Sacred barna, Three leaves caper, Vai-varna, Wairoda, Nirvala.
Crataeva tapia L., Sp. Pl. 1753; Almeida, Fl. Mah. 1: 51, 1996.
Synonyms: Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in Blumea 12: 198, 1964; Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 1: 223, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 98, 2005. Crataeva religiosa Forst. var. religiosa (R. Br.) sensu Hook f. & Thoms., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872. C. religiosa var. roxburghii Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 44, 1958 (Repr.); Hook. f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 172, 1872. Crataeva religiosa Forst.f., Prodr. 35, 1786.
As per this both appears to be same.
B. From efi thread: ... states that Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
The common species of Sacred Barna [locally called Vaivarun] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed by ... at Kanheri] is C.tapia. It is a small tree with a much-branched head and greenish-white flowers. The other species of Crataeva found in Maharashtra is C.adansonii [C.tapia ssp. odora] which is common around Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly slopes. It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white flowers.   

Here both Crataeva tapia and C. adansonii seems to be different. Species mentioned here seems to be different from what Satish Pardeshi ji has mentioned above.
C. BSI (eFlora of India) with details & keys (Distribution) does not give any name like Crataeva tapia either in Crateva adansonii DC. subsp. odora (Buch.- Ham.) Jacobs in Blumea 12: 198. 1964. C. odora Buch.-Ham. in Trans. Linn. Soc. 15: 118.1827. C. roxburghii R. Br. in Denh. & Clapp. Narr. Trav. Disc. Afr. App . 224. 1826. C. religiosa var. roxburghii (R. Br.) Hook. f. & Thomson in Fl. Brit. India 1:172. 1872. C. nurvala sensu Blatter in J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 35: 293. 1931, non Buch.- Ham. or  Crateva magna (Lour.) DC., Fl. Cochinch. 1: 331. 1790. Crateva nurvala Buch.-Ham. in Trans. Linn. Soc. 15: 121. 1827. C. lophospemla Kurz in J. Bot. 12: 195, t. 147, ff. 4 - 6. 1874. C. religiosa var. nurvala (Buch.-Ham.) Hook. f. & Thomoson in Fl. Brit. India 1: 172. 1872. C. religiosa auct. non Forster f.; Dunn in Gamble, Fl. Pres. Madras 47. 1915. or Crateva religiosa Forster f.
May I request members to pl. send full details regarding accepted names & synonyms from Almeida, Fl of Maharashtra
From the above (...) I believe Crateva adansonii ssp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs & Crataeva tapia L. are same, until & unless some information to the contrary is received. 
I am talking about Crateva species in Maharashtra and based on The Plant List http://www.theplantlist.org/browse/A/Capparaceae/Crateva/
There are only 2 plant species here
1. Crateva adansonii DC. a riparian tree with globose berry.
2. Crateva religiosa G. Forst a tree with ovoid berry.
I think the ID is quite simple from fruits but may not be so from photo tallying.
I am not aware of other species if they occur elsewhere in India.
Thanks, ... But BSI (eFlora of India) with details & keys does not give any distribution in Maharastra of Crateva religiosa G. Forst.
Please see all syn in the plant list. They may have given the syn C magna instead.
I have been watching both these trees for last few decades and I ever did not have any doubt about their id. I also have both trees in my collection
I hope somebody can sort out Crateva species in efi. awaiting your feedback pl.
It is a matter of priority of names, the plants don't change. You have to choose the school of thought, BSI or others...if you follow both then this is not the only confusion, there will be hundreds of them.
Suggest to follow the plant list of Kew, it has much fewer confusions.
The Plant List Ver. 1.1 gives Crateva tapia L. & Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs accepted name while Crateva magna (Lour.) DC. is a synonym of Crateva religiosa G.Forst. But here underlined data is based on WCSP (in review), which is under review.
While Catalogue of Life (updated in 2016) gives details as below with distribution:
Crateva tapia L. (no distribution in India)
Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs India (widespread), Jammu & Kashmir (Kashmir, Jammu) 
Crateva magna (Lour.) DC. India (peninsular India, Western India, Gangetic Plains, Eastern India to Tripura, Manipur),
Crateva religiosa Forst. fil. India (Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam),
This [Catalogue of Life (updated in 2016)] broadly matches with BSI (eFlora of India) with details & keys (Distribution) as below:
Crateva adansonii DC. subsp. odora (Buch.- Ham.) Jacobs (India: In open forests or scrub jungles, from sea level to 750 m. Throughout India (except in the humid hill states of N.E. India and Kashmir); Pakistan, Myanmar and Sri Lanka)
Crateva magna (Lour.) DC. (India: In deciduous or semievergreen forests, along streams, up to 1000 m. Peninsular India, Western India, Gangetic Plains and Eastern India up to Tripura and Manipur; Bangladesh, Myanmar, China and Sri Lanka, extending to Malaysia and Indonesia.)
Crateva religiosa Forster f. (India: Infrequent in subtropical evergreen forests, up to 1000 m. Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam and Andaman & Nicobar Islands; Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Indo-China and Thailand, extending to S.E. Asia, up to Philippines)
Further Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2002- Description & Keys) gives as below-
Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs (syn. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. roxburghii, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn) &
Crateva magna (Lour.) DC. (syn. Capparis magma Lour., Crateva nurvala Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. nurvula (Buch.-Ham.) Hook. f. & Thomson, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn)
And Flora of Davanagere District, Karnataka, India By B. K. Manjunatha, V. Krishna, T. Pullaiah (2004) gives details as below-
Crateva magna (Lour.) DC. (syn. Capparis magma Lour., Crateva nurvala Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. nurvula (Buch.-Ham.) Hook. f. & Thomson) 
And From Floral Database of Tamilnadu :  
BinomialHabitNotesReferencesDistribution
Crateva adansonii DC. subsp. odora (Buch. - Ham.) JacobsSmall TreePlains, Dry LocalitiesFlora of Tamil Nadu, VOL. I, 1983; Matthew, 1983All districts
Crateva magna (Lour.) DC.Medium sized TreeWestern Ghats , Moist Deciduous ForestsFlora of Tamil Nadu, VOL. I, 1983Nilgiri, Tiruvannamalai

In view, I am inclined to take Crateva adansonii DC. subsp. odora (Buch.- Ham.) Jacobs (considering postings of Crataeva tapia on efi to be this species) & Crateva magna (Lour.) DC. as the two species from Maharastra.



In Sanjay Gandhi National Park we have observed some flowering of Bombax ceiba, Red silk Cotton Tree in February. The Ghost Tree, Sterculia urens had fruits in January though we have yet to see its flowers. The yellow & white flowers of Crataeva nurvala Tree were observed in December.
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva adansonii. Trees of Delhi also states (about Crateva adansonii, subsp. odora) that new leaves in April, canopy renewed in May. Flowers with new leaves, peaking by late April. Beautiful Trees & Shrubs of Calcutta states that flowering occurs in summer (March-May) when tree is leafless or just after emergence of new leaves.
Do you have any pictures? Or would like to clarify as your observations are quite away from those of Trees of Delhi. Does other books say something different?
As per Wikipedia link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crateva_religiosa
The flowering tree Crateva religiosa (syn Crataeva religiosa, Crateva adansonii) is called the sacred garlic pear and temple plant, and many other names in a variety of dialects, including abiyuch, barna, varuna, and bidasi. The tree is sometimes called the spider tree because the showy flowers bear long, spidery stamens. It is native to Japan, Australia, much of Southeast Asia and several south Pacific islands. It is grown elsewhere for fruit, especially in parts of the African continent.
The fruit of the tree is edible. The nectar-filled flowers are attractive to a multitude of insects and birds. The pierid butterfly (Hebomoia glaucippe) is a frequent visitor to this plant.

As requested here are two photos of Crataeva nurvala which I observed flowering in December in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Mumbai.
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
The common species of Sacred Barna [locally called Vaivarun] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed by ... at Kanheri] is C.tapia. It is a small tree with a much-branched head and greenish-white flowers.  
The other species of Crataeva found in Maharashtra is C.adansonii [C.tapia ssp. odora] which is common around Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly slopes. It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white flowers.

Thanks, ... for the help. That means ... pictures from Sanjay Gandhi National parks are those of C.tapia.
 
 
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050409 GI tree for id : Attachments (1+ 2). 9 posts by 5 authors.
I know that posting guidelines does not encourage more than two images a day; the reason i am breaking rule is because this tree which i have photographed again at Velliangiri, this time at the foothills, also has flowers like ones we see in Family Capparidaceae.
With ... hazarding the ids of the two flowers i have already posted to be
Capparis sp
i could not resist posting this. so with apologies please and no more today....

Tree and flowers photographed on march 23 at (coimbatore) Velliangiri foothills.In the image of the tree the one in the foreground is the one that requires id...
It is Crataeva religiosa, Very beautiful flowering in stating summer.
I am attach fresh photo.
I think there is some confusion about the correct name of Crataeva species found in India.
"Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva
adansonii
(i.e not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)).
Trees of Delhi also states (about Crateva adansonii, subsp. odora) that new leaves in April, canopy renewed in May. Flowers with new leaves, peaking by late April. "
As per earlier thread:
"Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India. The common species of Sacred Barna [locally called Vaivarun] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed by Kiran at Kanheri] is C.tapia. It is a small tree with a much-branched head and greenish-white flowers. The other species of Crataeva found in Maharashtra is C. adansonii [C.tapia ssp. odora] which is common around Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly slopes.It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white flowers. " 
I think we have to have more discussion as to the correct name of this & other species commonly found in India. Experts may help in the matter.

... to me this post is useful .. Crateva is one among few of confusing species to me.
Thanks to ... clarification ... it helps. More friends to throw light.
This tree was flowering in Madurai two or three days back (posted on 5.4.09). It was covered in flowers and had little foliage. What species would it be?
Crateva adansonii
Let me add my observations of this tree. I have seen this tree to have leaves in almost all months.
I was running though some literature from the Flora of Tamilnadu Carnatic prepared by Dr.K M Mathew at The Rapinat Herbarium project.
The description given there matches with ... description. Fr.Mathews adds that it can be seen from Plains to coast to 300(500)m. Common along the banks of Cauvery and Kollidam rivers, in scrub jungles especially on the coast.
However he mentions that odora is a sub species of Crataeva adansonii .
In the literature given with the description for Crataeva, he mentions all these other species referred to in our mails such as C roxburghii, C religiosa var roxburghii, C odora; but gives only three as found in Tamilnadu Carnatic. These are Crataeva adansonii, Crataeva adansonii ssp odora and C magna

When i run through the flower description it is C magna that has white flowers and C. adansonii has cream to yellowish flowers.
Now the tree that i photographed had white and cream coloured flowers. I don't know whether they were ageing flowers, because when i looked through binoculars they looked fresh.
Also now i am not sure about the leaves being trifoliate.
I also looked at the description of Capparis Nilgiriensis so i guess it cannot be C nilgiriensis.
Just to educate myself better can someone tell me the differences between Capparis vs Crateva please? From this book i found it to be that Capparis has simple leaves where as Crataeva has trifoliate leaves.
C adansonii odora then is it? In tamil in addition to Mavilangam it is also called Kudugai
given in the same book. It matches all of the characters except the fact that there were no yellow blotches in the flower which Fr.Mathews mentions.

 
Crataeva revisited : 2 posts by 2 authors.
Today, after a long break, I decided to get back to my flower business. And I was not surprised when I got confused with the first species I came across -- Crataeva Magna
In a few previous threads, there has been some confusion on Crataeva species (nativity). Look at
efi thread 1 and efi thread 2
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In the book "An atlas of major flowering trees of India" by Swaminathan and Kochhar, Crataeva Magna also called C. Religiosa and C. Nurvala (Commonly known as The Sacred Barna, Garlic Pear, Caper
tree, Bengal Quince
) is probably a native of India. The specific epithet "religiosa" pertains to religion while burvala is the South Indian vernacular name. It is found either wild or cultivated from Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal, Assam and Deccan peninsula (western and eastern ghats). Also it is common in Sri Lanka, Myanmar, China, Cambodia, Taiwan, Malay Archipelago and tropical Africa. The tree is perhaps regarded sacred as it is found planted near muslim tombs, mosques and graveyards. It is also of religious significance to
certain Hindu sects.
The greenish-white flowers are borne in dense corymbs. Each one has numerous long, thread-like purple or lilac stamens longer than the petals, surrounding a swollen ovary raised at the end of a long slender, thread-like lilac stalk, called gynophore.
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I am also confused on whether C.Religiosa and C. adansonii subsp. odora are same :-|. The latter one is there @FOI website... which looks like C.Religiosa in Swaminathan and Kochhar's book.
They have same common names. And I do not understand the difference between the two.
I am not aware of any conclusion of the previous discussions. Can some expert declare something now?
 
 
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Flora of Jamwa ramgarh Sanctury,Jaipur,Rajastan (mixed thread): Hindi name बरना
Scientific Name Crateva adansonii
Family Capparaceae
Photo taken 23.3.2008
At- Jamwa ramgarh Sanctury, Jaipur, Rajastan, India
Description blooming leafless condition


 
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please Id this flower:  please Id this flower

I think this is  Crataeva nurvala

English name: Three leaved caper
Sanskrit name:Varun
Hindi : Barun
Tamil name : Marvilingam, Maralingam
Telugu: Mangalam , Voolemera
 
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Crataeva nurvala in bloom from Karnal- 2012: This elegantly blooming tree was photographed from Karnal District (Haryana) on May 5, 2012. Crataeva nurvala Buch.-Ham., Trans. Linn. Soc. London 15: 121, 1827; Blatt. & Mill., Beaut. Ind. Tr. 47, t. 9, 1754; C. religiosa Forst. f. var. nurvala (Buch.-Ham.) Hook. f. & Thoms. in Hook. f., Fl. Br. Ind. I: 173.
Vern.: Barna, Varuna.
A deciduous tree with grey, fairly smooth bark. Leaflets 3, obovate- oblong or lanceolate, acuminate, entire, glabrous. Petiole 10-15 cm long. Flowers 5-8 cm in diameter, white, pale-yellow or light rose, in many-flowered, lax, terminal corymbs. Sepals 4, deciduous. Petals 4, long-clawed, oblong-obovate or spathulate. Stamensnumerous, filaments slender, free, exceeding the petals. Ovary on a long gynophore. Stigma sessile. Fruita many seeded ovoid berry, 3-5 cm in diameter, seeds embedded in a yellow pulp.

Awesome close ups of the Barna.....full of flowers.....details of flowers...oh!..so cute. It is exhilarating.
 
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Rutaceae week: wild Aegle ??? from Hooghly 12-05-12 SK:  Found this small tree in Dhaniakhali today.
Species : Unknown
Habit & Habitat : small tree on roadside, but may grow more, 'Bael' like globose fruit, immature fruit diameter 2.5 cm
Date : 12-05-12, 3.42 p.m.
Place : Dhaniakhali (Hooghly)
I think it is Crataeva nurvala Buch. Ham (Capparidaceae)
Yes Crataeva nurvala
ANd you were not too far off, ancient ayurveda had described it as berry bearing tree with bilva patra like (three leaflet) bearing plant.
Its called VARUNA in ayurvedic literature and is a good stone and crystal remover.... good for cleansing the blood and kidneys


 
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Sacred Barna flowering in Bandhavgarh Ntl Park:  Picture was taken last month in Bandhavgarh Ntl Park.
 
 
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Crateva adansonii:  
Local nameBarna
Botanical nameCrateva adansonii
Photo taken at136. Nemi nagar Extention, Jaipur

 
Tree ID Please Attachments (2).  3 posts by 3 authors.
Please help in identification of the attached tree. Flowers were in boom last month (March'13).
Place - Mumbai
i this it is Crataeva adansonii .. Cappraceae 
Crataeva adansonii
 
Barna 3 posts by 2 authors.
I need help with sourcing Barna (Crataeva religiosa) for a project in Delhi. No Delhi nursery seems to stock it. Can anyone help, please?


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Crateva religiosa
Today at Kanakeshwar, Alibag
... very beautiful flowers. One query is normally do we get these flowers in June/July. I ve seen them in March/April.
 
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Climber ID request - RK113 - 04-Jul-2013 : Attachments (2). 3 posts by 2 authors.
Requesting identification of this climber seen in Tungareshwar. The size of the leaflet is around 7 cms. I did not see any flowers.
Crataeva religiosa
Oh! The leaves do match with Crataeva religiosa. However i am quite certain that I did not see any full grown tree with such leaves. May be it is a young plant? 
 
 
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Crateva adansonii DC. subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs in Blumea 12: 198, 1964
Syn: C. odora Buch.-Ham.; C. religiosa var. roxburghii (R. Br. ) Hook. f.
Tree with leaves subcoriaceous when drying; central leaflet abruptly acuminate at apex; flowers appearing before or with leaves,, fragrant, greenish-white or creamy, pink when when drying; fruit globose, orange-yellow to reddish-brown, 2.5-4 cm.
Photographed from Herbal garden in Delhi,  
 
 
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Capparaceae and Cleomaceae fortnight-Crateva adosony : Attachments (3)- 3 MB each. 3 posts by 2 authors.
mailing few shot of Crateva adonsonii, but not very sure if all the shots are of the same tree.

Crataeva adansonii (Garlic pear tree, Varun in Marathi) from Mumbai
 
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Crateva religiosa
Pune and Ambolgad Konkan 
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva
adansonii
(i.e not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)).
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
Also see

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By Thammineni Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (Description & Keys with C. Magna) (syn. as C. religiosa Dunn in Gamble , pp non Forst. f.)

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2002- Description & Keys- Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs (syn. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. roxburghii, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn)

You can see a lot of discussions in this regard at Crateva adansonii subsp. odora & Crateva tapia, the only two species posted & agreed to so far at efi. Alos see Crateva (Indian book refrences).
 
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Capparaceae and Cleomaceae fortnight :: Crateva sp. in Thane for ID :: DV13 : 5 images.  4 posts by 4 authors. Crateva sp. for ID 
this spectacular bloom was once in a lifetime for me; the tree planted in Govt. premises no longer exists. Please do not bother that the photos in my flickr photostream are labelled as Crateva religiosa. Keen to know the ID. Crateva has always confused me. 
in Thane on 27 NOV 07 (was planted tree in Govt. premises)  
Yes, they very lively pictures..you are not the only one to be confused..
I also have not shared my pics of Crataeva due to confusing identity...
I am also still confused
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva
adansonii
(i.e. not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)).
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
Also see

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By Thammineni Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (Description & Keys with C. Magna) (syn. as C. religiosa Dunn in Gamble , pp non Forst. f.)

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2002- Description & Keys- Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs (syn. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. roxburghii, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn)

You can see a lot of discussions in this regard at Crateva adansonii subsp. odora & Crateva tapia, the only two species posted & agreed to so far at efi. Also see Crateva (Indian book refrences).
 
 
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Capparaceae and Cleomaceae fortnight :: Crateva sp. for ID, in a garden of rural Thane :: DV15 2 images. 2 posts by 2 authors. Crateva sp. for ID 
... my first sighting of a caper tree. Please ignore the photos having been labelled as Crateva religiosa. Keen to know the ID.
in a garden of hotel resort near Vajreshwari on 01 APR 07

From efi thread:
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva
adansonii
(i.e. not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)).
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
Also see

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By Thammineni Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (Description & Keys with C. Magna) (syn. as C. religiosa Dunn in Gamble , pp non Forst. f.)

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2002- Description & Keys- Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs (syn. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. roxburghii, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn)

You can see a lot of discussions in this regard at Crateva adansonii subsp. odora & Crateva tapia, the only two species posted & agreed to so far at efi. Also see Crateva (Indian book refrences).
 
 
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this moderate to large deciduous tree in its leafless and blooming stage resembles in all aspects to those in tree found planted in Govt. premises. Am inclined to believe that such large deciduous (planted) trees must be of Crateva religiosa G.Forst.
Hope this Crateva in India gets clarity very soon.
in a home garden along Ghodbunder Road on 04 DEC 08  
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva
adansonii
(i.e. not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)).
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India.
Also see

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By Thammineni Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (Description & Keys with C. Magna) (syn. as C. religiosa Dunn in Gamble , pp non Forst. f.)

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2002- Description & Keys- Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs (syn. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. roxburghii, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn)

You can see a lot of discussions in this regard at Crateva adansonii subsp. odora & Crateva tapia, the only two species posted & agreed to so far at efi. Also see Crateva (Indian book refrences).
 
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Capparaceae and Cleomaceae fortnight :: Crateva sp. at Vaghbil, Thane for ID :: DV1410 images. 4 posts by 4 authors. Crateva sp. for ID 
these sightings of caper plants in vicinity of creek at Vaghbil, Thane. Watching since 2007, they have remained seemingly with a stunted growth not rising beyond 2 - 3 metres, with chaotic branching. They must have been planted by village folks - because there is a very small temple nearby, dedicated to Lord Naga which gets thronged by entire village during Naga Panchami. I had seen its fruits very long back, regret to have not taken photos then. They were ovoid, not globose for sure. Please ignore the photos having been labelled as Crateva religiosa. Keen to know the ID.
Nagoba Mandir at Vaghbil, Thane  
Wah....   What  beautiful photographs are these!   
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva
adansonii
(i.e. not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)). 
 
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India. 
Also see

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By Thammineni Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (Description & Keys with C. Magna) (syn. as C. religiosa Dunn in Gamble , pp non Forst. f.)  

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2002- Description & Keys- Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs (syn. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. roxburghii, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn) 

You can see a lot of discussions in this regard at Crateva adansonii subsp. odora & Crateva tapia, the only two species posted & agreed to so far at efi. Also see  Crateva (Indian book references).

Seen this tree along the River bank near Belgaum.
Bot. name: Crateva adansonii
Family: Capparaceae
Thanks ... for this post. I doubt a little in being its C adansonii.....
The fruit suggests C. religiosa
From efi thread:
Trees of Delhi states Crataeva nurvala, Crataeva religiosa & Crataeva magna to be an invalid Syn. of Crateva
adansonii
(i.e. not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)). 
 
Crataeva nurvala [C.religosa] is an African species that is not [naturally] found in India. 
Also see

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By Thammineni Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (Description & Keys with C. Magna) (syn. as C. religiosa Dunn in Gamble , pp non Forst. f.)  

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2002- Description & Keys- Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs (syn. Crateva odora Buch.-Ham., Crateva religiosa var. roxburghii, Crateva religiosa sensu Dunn) 

You can see a lot of discussions in this regard at Crateva adansonii subsp. odora & Crateva tapia, the only two species posted & agreed to so far at efi. Also see  Crateva (Indian book references).


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Identification please. Id No.009 : Attachments (4). 2 posts by 2 authors.  
Place-Challakarae
Dist-Chitradurga,Karnataka
Habitat-Dry-land
Habit-A medium sized tree
Date of Pic. taken-13.06.2013
Crataeva religiosa
 
 
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Crataeva magna (Lour.) DC : Attachments (1). 2 posts by 2 authors. 
Crataeva magna (Lour.) DC (= C. nurvala Buch- Ham), Fam: Capparaceae
25/05/2013, Cherrupuzha, Kannur, Kerala
wild tree on the river bank in fruiting, bark smooth,
Bark medicinal, leaves will give garlick smell.
Thanks, ..., I think the taxonomy of Crataeva species found in India is very confusing. I think Crataeva magna (Lour.) DC syn. of Crateva religiosa G.Forst. does not exist in India (?).
I think the information available here will be useful: Crateva & Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Lot of discussions)
 
 
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Fwd: Identification of some tree species TK1 : 3 posts by 1 author. Attachments (1).
Identification of some trees species from Manudevi forest Maharashtra Jalgaon
Most probably Crataeva nurvala
Thaks, ..., Correct name should be Crateva adansonii subsp. odora
 
 
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Request for ID : 300511 : AK-1:  Taken on the 6th of June, 2007 at Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh.
Is this the fruit of Thespesia, Indian Tulip Tree?
This is a species of Crataeva possibly C.adansonii subsp. odora.
I suspect a mix up, though within Capparaceae. Fruit looks like Capparis zeylanica or grandis and leaves look like Crateva. The fruits of C. adansonii are oblong and greyish white.
Agree with .... it look like Crataeva adansonii.., I guess var. odora has oblong fruit.
But surely not Capparis..
i think Crataeva nurvala 
Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs
Fruits red-violet-brownish tinged, smooth.
Thanks a lot for follow up and confirmation of id.
 
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Need id assistance of JNU Plant 250415SP1-44 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)
I need id assistance for following images belong to Crataeva?
Date:25/04/2015
Locality: JNU new campus

Habit: tree
Crataeva adansonii to me.
It is Crataeva adansonii.
As per Pradip Kishen's Trees of Delhi guide book given name is Crataeva adansonii subsp. odora
1) Flower:Stamens long, purple; Small green ovary at end of a long stalk
2) Leaves: 3 leaflets; the two leaflets on either side have assymetric bases.
Attached herewith, the image of book pages. Attachments (2)


 
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Clicked these images at the Rao Jodha Desert Rock Park, Jodhpur, RJ in March 2018.
Requested to please provide ID. Is this Crateva adansonii ssp. odora?

Crateva adansonii subsp. odora ?? 

To me also appear close to images at Crateva adansonii subsp. odora as per comparative images at Crateva


 
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As per http://www.flowersofindia.net Crateva magna is having synonyms as Crateva Crateva nurvala, Crateva religiosa var. nurvala, Crateva lophosperma as has picture as-
As per http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org, Under the name of Crateva religiosa, picture of
Crateva Crateva adansonii subsp. odora is shown as- 
How to differentiate two species?
Which one is ...?
Which one is Reliosa?

Check with Flora of Madras Presidency by Gamble or any other flora which provides key to the genera & species.

Thanks, ...,
We have sorted out this issue in efi site. 

1. Can it be differentiated at a glance by looking at petal shape, stamen's colour and anther shape along with leaf, fruit, inflorances?
2. Do all these species can be called as Three Leaf Caper as all has three leaflets?
3. FlowersOfIndia named adansonii as Varun. Acharya Balkrishnaji named Religiosa as Varun tree in his video. Do all these species named Varun in India?
1. Can it be differentiated at a glance by looking at petal shape, stamen's colour and anther shape along with leaf, fruit, inflorances?-> yes.
2. Do all these species can be called as Three Leaf Caper as all has three leaflets?-> common names are varied and sometimes same name is being used for similar looking species.
3. FlowersOfIndia named adansonii as Varun. Acharya Balkrishnaji named Religiosa as Varun tree in his video. Do all these species named Varun in India?->  common names are varied and sometimes same name is being used for similar looking species.


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Crateva adansonii subsp. odora AT/MAY2018/07 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)
Garlic pear tree, Caper tree, Barna
Crateva adansonii subsp. odora
Bilaspur (H.P.)
May 2018

Barna is considered sacred. There is a popular saying in Bilaspur area that:
जिस्दे अँगना बर्ना
तिसो कजो डरना
(One who has Barna in front of his house need not to fear. Here fear represents the fear of evil spirits and black magic)
How to grow Crateva religiosa : 5 posts by 3 authors.
Please provide some link or information about soil and other information to grow Crateva religiosa.
Does it require organic rich soil?
Is it drought tolerant?
Is it salt tolerant?
Can it grow in degraded soil like butea monosperma can grow?
Which minerals are required in soil for this tree to grow?
Which are associated trees of Crateva religiosa?

It can be easily grown from seeds.

I think you mean Crateva adansonii subsp. odora, which is commonly found in India.


 
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Fwd: CRATAEVA RELIGIOSA : 2 posts by 1 author. Attachments (1)
Attaching a collage of Crataeva religiosa (syn Crataeva nurvala) BARNA/ BARUN.

Correct name may be 
as per details and images herein. 


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on March 23' 09 at (Coimbatore) Velliangiri foothills; March on the bank of Doodhganga River Radhanagari; in nehru park- Dehi- 25/4/09; Sonepat, Haryana- 1/5/09; Delhi- 13/4/08; on 9.5.09- Yamuna Bio diversity park, Delhi; Village Vaisari (Panipat)- on 18-4-10;Trees of Delhi- New leaves in April, canopy renewed in May; Flowers with new leaves, peaking by late April (About Crateva adansonii subsp. odora).  

 
 
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MS/3/2020/3 -Crateva sps for I D. : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3)
Please identify the tree. Photographs attached.
Crateva species most probably Crateva adansonii.

Crateva adansonii subsp. odora ?? 

Further to my posting I am sending  one more photograph. 
All the Photographs are from Chennai. Photographed two weeks back.
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Please cross verify!

Images are not good.
May be Crateva adansonii subsp. odora (Buch.-Ham.) Jacobs as per comparative images at Crateva

Ok. ... Hope this is cultivated one.



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