Impatiens kathmanduensis

Impatiens kathmanduensis Grey-Wilson, Kew Bull. 44: 119 1989.;


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Fwd: Verification of ID for Impatiens devendrae ??? : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (9).
I am enclosing some pictures of Impatiens for verification of ID.
Date: 26 JULY, 2014
Location: Dolakha District, East Nepal  
Altitude : 7000 ft.
efi page on Impatiens devendrae 
This is not I. devendrae - it looks superficially similar, however:
1 stem and leaves are less or more hairy (glabrous in I. devendrae)
2 lateral petals lacks characteristic ornage/rusty markings
3 lower of lateral petals has different shape than in I. devendrae.
4 upper petal has strong pink/rosa markings
I have no idea what species it is however.
The plant appears as Impatiens glandulifera
It looks little bit different from I grandulifera.
It looks like I. discolor, however not many pictures were available in the website for proper verification.

Not many images in Google for ID validation. Need your help for ID validation !
I guess it is Impatiens kathmanduensis Grey-Wilson !
I shall be posting latest images from the same location soon.

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SK813 20 OCT-2017:ID : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (8)
Location:  Deurali, Dolkha, Nepal
Date: 6 September 2017
Elevation : 7700 ft.
Impatiens discolor DC.  ??
Impatiens kathmanduensis Grey-Wilson   ???
Elevation not matching with I. discolor according to efloranepal.

To identify the Impatiens well pressed herbarium specimens with flowers and bottled specimens in alcohol are needed.

Thank you ... Unfortunately I did not collect the specimen.

Nothing matches with images at Impatiens kathmanduensis except superficial similarity.

If these images are of Impatiens kathmanduensis Grey-Wilson as per paper at Link, than images at SK674 25 JUL-2017:ID may not be of Impatiens kathmanduensis as tentatively identified earlier.


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SK674 25 JUL-2017:ID : 8 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (7)
Location: Shivapuri National Park, Nepal
Altitude: 8200 ft.
Date: 22 July 2017

Here I don't have any clue and this one need to wait unfortunately :-(.
I just returned form break.
I still have problems with my computer and I am still working in field so any progress will be slow.

This plant seems like I. kathmanduensis made by C. Grey Wilson, but S. Akiyama merged it to I. discolour.


 
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SK832 28 OCT-2017:ID : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)
Location:  Deurali, Dolkha, Nepal
Date: 6 September 2017
Elevation : 7700 ft.
Impatiens discolor DC.  ???

May be as appears close to images in your other posts as below:
I guess we should wait for opinions from experts !

That is always welcome, if it comes.


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SK824 25 OCT-2017:ID : 11 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (5)
Location: Dolakha, Nepal 
Date : 4 September, 2017
Elevation : 7500 ft.

Have you checked comparative images at Impatiens ? 

Yes, ...!

I do not know if I am right or wrong, but I find it closer to images at Impatiens kathmanduensis Grey-Wilson
It is understood that S. Akiyama merged it to I. discolour.

Do you agree with my suggested id? 

Akiyama report pages 162,163 and 164. 
I guess it matches. 


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SK1016 15 MAR-2018 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Location: Godawari , Nepal
Altitude:  5000 ft.
Date: 14 September 2013
Habit : Wild

Impatiens?  

I agree with ..., this is Impatiens sp. ....

Yes It is !
Impatiens discolor DC ???

Yes, possibility is there for Impatiens kathmanduensis


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SK1369 19 AUG 2018 : 10 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (11)- around 300 kb each.
Location: Godavari, Nepal
Altitude : 5000 ft.
Date: 24 July 2018
Habit :  Wild  

Thank you ... I guessed it to be I. discolor/ I. kathmanduensis but doubtful about the elevation.
But altitude is not much different from other posts at Impatiens kathmanduensis 

Can we verify its natural habitat elevation from somewhere?

I see I need to step up.
To know species geographical distribution and its altitudinal limits one need to know species.
When we have species which is problematic, seen in different ways by different authors, we simply can't collect good enough data.
Also, altitudinal limits are not absolute limits. In Poland some mountainous species, growing typically above 1000 m a.s.l. grow also along rivers in lowland part of Poland, in much different climatic conditions. One need to remember about different conditions on southern and northern slopes, etc.
For many species we have only little data on both geographical distribution and altitudinal limits... There is a lot of work for next generations left.
I am still busy yet. I hope to be more active later in autumn.
Thanks, ..., for a very imp. observation. We have to focus more on identity rather than on the elevation. Identity comes first and not the elevation. 
Yes, you are right ..., First the identification then whether it is endemic or widespread/universal etc and even in endemic species, its important to know (for academia), whether its central population or peripheral population, etc etc but that's academic. elevation and tree lines are ever changing i think, esp with the glaciers almost gone and temperature creeping up, and animals moving further up. so that's query is neither here nor there. lets focus on good photography that  depicts all relevant diagnostic features and when submitting the case all that is in the posting guidelines
ok. Thank you.
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SK2039 12 July 2019 : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (8)- around 600 kb each. 
Location:  Phulchoki, Lalitpur 
Date:  3 July 2019
Elevation:  2115 m.
Habit : Wild
Impatiens discolor DC.  ??

Yes, to me also appears close to images at Impatiens kathmanduensis 

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SK2078 26 July 2019 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (8)- around 650 kb each. 
Location:  Phulchoki, Lalitpur
Date:  3 July 2019
Elevation:  2674 m.
Habit : Wild

Is this too Impatiens discolor DC.  ?? 

May be after seeing the variations at Impatiens kathmanduensis 

I feel slight difference but may be same. However, I discolor and I. kathmanduensis have been merged.
Sorry, I am unable to help...
This group needs more studies with living material and comparisons with herbarium material.



References:

The Plant List Ver.1.1 (unresolved)  IPNI  Catalogue of Life 
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