Rhodophiala (Hippeastrum) Species

Rhodophiala Species;


 

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Lycoris sanguinea in bamboo thicket from Hooghly: Found these beautiful flowers in the wild. This was a wonderful gift from my beloved colleague Mrs. M. Chatterjee who passed me the breaking news!
Species : Lycoris sanguinea Maxim.
Habit & Habitat : wild herb, roadside
Date : 04-05-12, 10.30 a.m.
Place : Garalgacha (Hooghly), WB
I think this would be Hippeastrum roseum.
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Thank you very much, ..., for the correct ID. A net search tells me it is Hippeastrum roseum, not the Lycoris sanguinea.
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How do you differentiate between Hippeastrum roseum and Lycoris Sanguinea. Please let me know if posiible as net is full of confusing information!
It was an uncultivated area inside a village.
I am not a botanist so will not be able to give scientific details. My input here is from a purely horticultural aspect having grown Lycoris and Hippeastrum (hybrids and a few species) commercially..Both Lycoris and Hippeastrum are bulbous, decidous/dormant (in respective season) plants and they belong to the family Amaryllidaceae. Lycoris is of Asian origin (China/Japan) while Hippeastrum is native to South America (Argentina/Brazil). Lycoris are winter growers and flower in summer after loosing their leaves. Hippeastrum go dormant in winter and flower from early spring before continuing their growth.
I am attaching picture of Lycoris radiata and Lycoris aurea. Both these species flower for us in Kalimpong from mid August through September. Hippeastrum roseum and Hippeastrum puniceum have just finished flowering for us...April/May . I am listing a few links below which might provide further information.
Hippeastrum roseum synonym
You will find from the last two links that Hippeastrum roseum is actually a synonym of Rhodophiala rosea. Couldn't get more complicated than that! Lycoris aurea and Lycros radiata are grown in villages by farmers and in the many flower nurseries in Kaimpong as a commercial crop. During the summer, in the "haat bazaar" of Kalimpong (Saturday and Wednesday), villagers can be seen selling bunches of Lycoris cut flowers along with vegetables, fruits, goats and chickens! The accompanying photo of the haat bazaar was taken in early October and you can see some bunches of Lycoris aurea flowers below the green bananas hanging from the wall.
More confusion. Most "Amaryllis" hybrids sold commercially are actually Hippeastrum Hybrids!!
Thank you very much ... for all these info on Lycoris & Hippeastrum.
But your fourth image, specially the anthers, matches with the flowers in my another post at - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/SdvtSZa_L4Q !
Moreover, the plant in the above post have many leaves while the plants in this post have very few leaves. This doesn't matches with the description you provided on Lycoris.
It appears to me that the species uploaded in my another post - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/SdvtSZa_L4Q is Hippeastrum roseum as have been identified by ...
But the species featured here, i think, is not Hippeastrum roseum, maybe some other species of Hippeastrum as in - http://www.123rf.com/stock-photo/amaryllidaceae_stamen.html (the validity in this link is questionable).
Hours of google search gives me some interesting find -
1) Almost all Hippeastrum images do bear short anther with yellow pollen, so do Lycoris
2) Images of Hippeastrum also feature leaves alongwith, on the other hand images of Lycoris seldom feature flower and leaves together.
3) scape height doesn't help, neither flowering season helps.


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Hippeastrum roseum or Lycoris sanguinea ??? from Hooghly 08-05-12 SK-1: Attaching some photographs that i have recorded a couple of hours ago. Please read it along with my earlier post at - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pW4Kpmc7KAw.
Species : UNKNOWN
Habit & Habitat : wild herb, uncultivated area in mango orchard
Date : 08-05-12, 09.04 a.m.
Place : Nalikul (Hooghly), WB
I have noted the following differences between the two species -
1) Marked difference in anther size and colour : this species has smaller anther and pollens are yellow
2) Difference in scape height : the height os the scape of this one is about 60 cm, while the scape is more than 70 cm in https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pW4Kpmc7KAw
3) No differences in flower size or scape diameter
4) No visible difference in colour
Please check Hippeastrum puniceum.
I think this species is Hippeastrum roseum as has been suggested by ... in another post - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pW4Kpmc7KAw
Leave alone those species, i searched the net a lot to understand differences between Hippeastrum and Lycoris but failed to find any. Do you have any idea as to why the flowers in my other post (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pW4Kpmc7KAw) bear different anthers?
Why your plant doesnt look like Hippeastrum vittatum?
What i learned from ... reply to ...:-
1) Lycoris is of Asian origin, winter grower, flowers in summer after loosing their leaves
All the above matches with my post "Lycoris sanguinea in bamboo thicket from Hooghly" at - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pW4Kpmc7KAw
2) Hippeastrum is native to S. America, go dormant in winter, flower from early spring, ...in Kalimpong have just finished flowering... April/May
The above text and images available in the net indicates my second post, titled "Hippeastrum roseum or Lycoris sanguinea ??? from Hooghly 08-05-12 SK-1", at - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/SdvtSZa_L4Q features either Hippeastrum roseum or H. puniceum or H. vittatum as have been suggested/indicated by ..., ... and ... respectively.
I think the content is same as in https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pW4Kpmc7KAw. ... identified the species as H. roseum, not H. vittatum !! 
Moreover, i copy here my earlier reply to ... that can be found in this very post -
"Thank you ..., for resurfacing the post. I think this species is Hippeastrum roseum as has been suggested by Ganesh Ji in another post - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pW4Kpmc7KAw
Furthermore, the following link indicates that what are known as H. roseum are actually H. puniceum. Please see - http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2011-September/174k90a79nc5oim3j5t88rfqa3.html The same has been suggested by ....
So, what i should go for? H. roseum? H.puniceum? H. vittatum? Or do i take all for synonyms?
 
 
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